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originally posted by: djz3ro
originally posted by: oldcarpy
All this anti-May stuff is all very entertaining but does anyone actually know what Labour's position on Brexit actually is? Seems that Corbyn is clueless about it.
Interestingly, there are rumours that Vince Cable is having talks with disgruntled Labour and Tory MP's about forming a Third Party..........
A centrist party. Maybe it's about time we had one, left v right is causing too many arguments...
originally posted by: teapot
1981 all over again. Didn't work then, why would it work now?
1981 - The Gang of 4, pro-Euro centrist Labour party members, left to form the SDP (Social Democratic Party).
1983 - General Election, the SDP allied with the Liberals to form the SDP-Liberal Alliance. Did the same again in 1987.
1988 - SDP split and some merged with the Liberals to form SLD (Social and Liberal Democrats, later known as Liberal Democrats)
2010 - Lib Dems form coalition with the Tories.
He called for a referendum before Britain's ratification of the Lisbon treaty, and expressed concerns about proposals for the creation of a 'European Rapid Reaction Force'. In February 2010, he wrote a pamphlet for the Social Market Foundation thinktank entitled "EU Social Market and Social Policy". Owen supports the referendum requirements within the European Union Act 2011.
Lord Owen continued to argue for engagement, criticising David Cameron's so-called 'veto' in December 2011 and arguing instead for a formal non-eurozone grouping with the right to join or leave the eurozone. In June 2012 Lord Owen published Europe Restructured, outlining a blueprint for restructuring the EU to allow for those countries that wish to be part of a more integrated eurozone to be facilitated while those who may only want to belong to a Single Market community are enabled to do so. He stated that a referendum on the UK's relationship with the EU is inevitable.
In February 2016, he announced that he now backs the UK leaving the EU in light of the 2016 referendum, arguing that "There are many positive aspects to leaving the EU. ... It could be the spark we need to re-energise our nation: a challenge and an opportunity." He has supported Vote Leave and spoken at rallies against the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, which Owen stated would put the NHS in danger
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: paraphi
I think its extraordinary how we actually think we have a say on the matter.
They know which way the dominoes will ultimately fall, or at least they have contingency plans in place to save their own souls, should things go south, at the expense of the rest of the people of the nation.
Half of the Rats are abandoning ship already for christ sake.
Its a complete and utter crap show really, which is going to, and already has cost this nation an arm and a leg, no matter which shape Brexit ultimately takes.
originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: andy06shake
As a ex-Remainer, I am disappointed that the only thing the anti-Brexit crowd can come up with are endless memes and fantasy doom, rather than a reiteration of the real and positive benefits of staying in the EU.