Brexit, Today is the Vote!

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: TheShippingForecast
I don't whinge. I don't want social housing. I don't want the state to wipe my arse.
I'm happy with the state leaving me alone and I sort my own # out.
Scottish people want to suckle on the teat of mother EU lol.
Like beggars.

Well if we're like beggars, England after the war joined us in the gutter.

Because we're talking about the foundation of the welfare state, decent homes for people instead of slums, the creation of the health service, from each according to ability to each according to need etc etc.

That's the difference, a real attitudinal difference to the way we think and interact with each other, the difference between most Scots and some south of the border (not all). That it's actually possible to work hard and make a good life for yourself without making someone else's life a misery.

I'll be up at 6am tmorro morning, pissed off as usual, pitch black outside (ooh blood moon), freezing cold and I'll traipse my way up that bloody hill to work. I'll do my shift, pay my taxes, be a good boy ... but I'd never grudge the guy next door who needs painkillers his free prescription. And I wont grudge him state assistance to pay his rent, or his ESA, or whatever it is he gets. Because on a flip of the coin I could be him too.

And so could you, you miserable bleeder.

Change your own country for the better. Don't run mine down.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast
Lol, welfare leach.
You Scots have more money spent on you per capita from taxes than England and Wales yet you still bleat like lost lambs on the hillside. #ing beggars.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: TheShippingForecast
Lol, welfare leach.
You Scots have more money spent on you per capita from taxes than England and Wales yet you still bleat like lost lambs on the hillside. #ing beggars.

EDIT
you are a nation of whinebags and have the best deal in the UK. Go on, # off to the EU, we won't miss you in England.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

If you believe the latest ONS stats (extremely debatable) ... London, the South East and Eastern England subsidise every other single other part of England, including Cornwall, when it comes to tax versus spend.

Which means Cornwall's on the take. And so are you.

Suck that up.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast
I don't receive any subsidies or welfare benefits so # off and leave the UK.
It won't change my life in the slightest. #ing whinging Scots, # off and go whinge about the EU instead,

I've been reading comments from various MPs and the Prime Minister in the Guardian, people on both sides of this issue, and I don't think that there is an appreciation of just what the referendum result has precipitated, in political terms.

I'm leaving aside the issue of it being an "advisory" referendum, not a binding referendum, and the fact that the question was basically whether people thought that Britain ought to leave the EU or remain in the EU, as opposed to an unequivocal direction from the people to actually leave the EU or remain in the EU.

The referendum result itself repays closer examination.

If you had a family of five who voted whether or not to go to the latest Harry Potter movie, and three voted in favor of going and two voted against it, it would be reasonable to expect that the family ended up going to the movie.

If it were a family of ten, who voted six to four in favor of attending the movie, again, it is likely that all would go to the movie.

If it were a family of one hundred, fifty-two of whom voted to attend the movie and forty-eight of whom voted against attending, I think it would be an open question as to whether the whole family would attend the movie.

If the forty-eight were compelled to attend the movie against their wishes, family unity would certainly be threatened. There might be a split in the family.

Some issues are easily decided by simple majority votes. In other cases, other dynamics come into play and simply falling back on the mathematics of a 50% plus one (two in this case) majority to justify a course of action is simplistic and ill advised.

originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
I'll be up at 6am tmorro morning, pissed off as usual,

Well, if it's a competition - I'll be up at 0500. Back home at 2100.

Anyway. The British attitude survey indicates that it's just accents that divide us. We people of Great Britain - including the Northern Irish - have very similar values and cultural anchors. The Scottish nationalists want people to think the Scots are somehow different - they are not. We are culturally the same.

a reply to: paraphi
The Scots are full of #, I'm tired of reading/hearing their bull#, whining moaning pricks.
Can't live unless the council gives them a home, communist/socialist moaners. I'm sick of it.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: TheShippingForecast
I don't receive any subsidies or welfare benefits so # off and leave the UK.
It won't change my life in the slightest. #ing whinging Scots, # off and go whinge about the EU instead,

All you whinging Cornishmen coming here complaining all the time, blaming other places to hide your own take take take. Your county takes so much money off the English taxpayer in subsidies, never pays it's way, it's a damn disgrace all these hard working Londoners having to pay top whack subsidies for the roads you walk and drive on, subsidising your health care, shelling out for your ESA and council tax benefits. Away you and take your little makey up "Kernow", your silly flag and go join somewhere else, the Scilly Isles or somewhere, go whinge to them instead.

Cornish subsidy junkies.

Poor Londoners.
I'd be raging, if I were Cockney lol.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
The Scots are full of #, I'm tired of reading/hearing their bull#, whining moaning pricks.

You seem to be doing your fair share of whining at the moment...

Anyway, Liverpudlians seem to whine, so do Brummies and Londoners. I reckon Mancunians and Geordies also whine-on. Hey, I'm a complaining Moonraker, so guess where I'm from.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast
That is another issue, but you whining Scots is a known and pretty much accepted thing. Scottish folk are whiners, like small girls. Everyone in the UK knows that lol.

a reply to: paraphi

Can't you say that about the Irish Republic, though ? Really ?
I mean, what makes them so different to the Northern Irish ? They don't even think they're different, to the extent that up until recently Eire had a territorial claim on the whole province. But they think they're different enough from GB to have their own sovereign country ?

Isn't that really the way the SNP think, too ?
That Scotland's different enough to justify us leaving the UK to maintain our membership of the EU ?

With reference to my previous post, the head of the family (Theresa May) has decided to have meetings with various groups within the family who want to attend different movies, to convince them that Harry Potter, the majority choice and her favorite, is the best movie to attend and that they ought to support the Harry Potter movie. She is negotiating with them on what special snacks they would be allowed to have at the movie.

None of them like Harry Potter and now they are threatening the whole outing for everyone. The head of the family is against another vote to see if any have changed their minds about Harry Potter. She says it would be a betrayal of their freedom of already expressed choice.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Lmao!
Lame troubled Scot lol, I'll come back tomorrow and chuckle.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Quite bizarre that the SNP supports severing all ties with the UK - people with whom they share deep roots and values - whilst shackling itself to a bloated, undemocratic and dictatorial entity like the EU where an 'independent' Scotland will have far less say and influence than it does at present being part of the UK.

Being forced to accept the Euro and all other EU dictates isn't my idea of independence....but if you like being shafted up the aris even more than what you are now well sure, you go for it, good luck and all that.

I have a lot of time for the Scots and have spent quite a bit of time in Glasgow and a bit in Edinburgh and Ayr too and have been to the Kelso Scooter Rally a couple of times - one of the best on the calendar - but this constant yearning and longing for some sort of mythical, romanticised, independent Scottish utopia is both puzzling and rather tedious.

I dread to imagine what the reality of an 'independent' Scotland under EU yolk would be.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Lmao!
Lame troubled Scot lol, I'll come back tomorrow and chuckle.

It's a valid point. Some might say there's a substantial community in Scotland who have more in common with the majority population in NI, by way of religion and tradition, than with those south of the border. Others in Scotland with a different faith tradition, again substantial in number, who have an allegiance with the Republic.

Yet somehow they're all Scottish. The other contributor would have you believe we're all much the same. Sure doesn't feel like that in Glasgow on an Old Firm weekend, it really doesn't.

That's not a lame point, Cornishman. It's a real stain on Scotland & Ireland. And the English, cos they caused all the problems to begin with lol.

Listen, Pasty Boy, I'm not getting at you in particular. My earlier point about Cornish subsidies and welfare dependence, well, it's just to make a point.

You can use statistics to prove anything. My village, for example, we've just had a million quid spent repairing the only road in and out. 40 houses in my village. That's what, per household £25,000 or more spent on us. A fortune. So I'm a subsidy junky. Same road in Glasgow repaired for the same cost, dunno, per household maybe £200. In London, less than a ton. So London gets less spent on it per household. Less than Glasgow. Less than my village. Same bloody road though.

It's the same with Scotland v England. Scotland, a third of the size of England with a tenth of the population. Things will always be more expensive "per capita", unless you're saying we shouldn't have roads or hospitals n such like. There's other arguments too, oil revenue, defence spending, major infrastructure spending in and solely directed to benefit London (HS2, anyone ?)

It's just, well, you damn a whole country with a whole load of nonsensical stereotypes. And crap statistics. I sure won't feel pampered and spoiled rotten by the UK taxpayer tmorro morning when I head out to work. And this whole Scotland F Off to Europe thing you've got going, well, you can do so much better than that.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

It's a real stain on Scotland & Ireland. And the English, cos they caused all the problems to begin with lol.

Sorry, got to comment on this.

That is absolute bollocks and a complete abdication of responsibility!

Sure, 'the English' contributed to the whole sorry mess - by 'English' I mean the government and religious elites of the day - but none of it would have been possible without the existing bigotry and hatred of both religious denominations involved and the people perpetrating the acts, the vast majority of whom were Scots or Irish!

originally posted by: Freeborn

Do people have so little faith in themselves, each other and our resourcefulness?

I have no faith in those who govern us and am relying on them to make a mess kf Brexit and use it to find ways to screw the hard working people of this country who are on the bottom of the financial ladder.

a reply to: djz3ro

On this we are in complete agreement my friend.

The thing is; what do we do then?
Just moan on sites like ATS or in the pub or actually do something that will affect real and positive change?

a reply to: Freeborn

I'd like to say I'm being facetious, but I'm not. Well, I am, kinda. Can't blame "the English".
Obv we're all accountable for our own actions. Loyalist, republican or whoever, especially nowadays.

But the Scottish independence referendum. The British government trotted the Queen out to say something, "choose carefully". It wasn't her words that meant anything, her words seldom do. But dragging her out got the protestant/loyalist vote out for No. It really did. She's got form that way, she did it in the 1970's too when the SNP were in their ascendancy and when a Scottish Assembly was mooted, reminding Parliament pointedly that she's Queen of the United Kingdom.

That's not the ramblings of some deluded ScotNat, either, I'm as indecisive on Scottish independence as I am on Brexit.