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Brexit, Today is the Vote!

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posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: djz3ro
I've yet to hear a shred of evidence about why the EU needs us as much as we need them...

We are net contributors to the tune of billions £'s each year.
Do we 'need' to give that money to the EU, or does the EU need that money? If they don't 'need' that money then let's just have a decent trade deal.


First off, the UK never pays the full fee for EU membership, it gets a rebate which is applied immediately (more on that here) but I can't seem to find a figure on the amount of money in grants and other contributions we get from tbe EU to see what the final figure is once the cash has flowed both ways
First off, the UK is a net contributor to the tune of billions of £'s each year. Which bit of that can you possibly dispute? It is about 8 or 9 billion.
All we get from the EU is our own money back.




posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: oldcarpy

That's three of us then.

How do our American cousins manage this non-stop Trump, Left/Right bollocks?

My head is truly battered with all this EU/Brexit business, they go on for literally days and weeks on end, thread after thread spewing out the same old rhetoric and dogmatic creed....I think I'd be setting off for the remotest wilderness possible.

I, uncharacteristically, will be seeking solace and respite in the pub where any talk whatsoever of Brexit or politics in general will be greeted with swift short arm jab to the nose followed by a roundhouse to the chin!



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn
Pub is always a good shout.
I had dinner and a couple of pints after work earlier, quiet one in tonight now though, quiet weekend to be fair, away game tomorrow but 100 miles away so I'm not going. I love watching my son play but the long lay in bed is calling me instead haha.

You mention the US rabid left/right thing and I agree, it's nuts.
Brexit is the most divisive thing I've ever known in UK politics but even here on ATS we're pretty chilled and respectful in our arguments. Even banter.
...what happens if we don't leave the EU though is anyone's guess. I will certainly be less than happy.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Flavian

I'm scared to ask how you feel about the US stuff !



Relaxed: with feet up, slippers on and pint in hand.




posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

This type of crap is also a concern if or when indeed we do Brexit.

"Theresa May to consider axing Human Rights Act after Brexit, minister reveals"

www.independent.co.uk... wAR3bh1rLCSqQzBpdwvGTD3qKj_tSTaODXZjApjTo5_MzHiTXSwJ3l2dxMnc
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posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake
[/yawn] more fear mongering. It is getting tiresome now.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Well some bits may need to be improved and changed. After all the British created the human rights conventions that evolved European law, so don't know why the easily panicked think it's all going to fall to pieces.

There are some things the population don't really want the EU to force upon the UK citing primacy of EU HR law, such as voting rights for prisoners. Plus some rulings are not popular, and show some aspects have become abused, like the inability to deport a sadistic paedo because that would deprive him of his hamster, thus impact his right to a family life.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Well failing to give assurances is indeed tiresome, no wonder you are yawning.


Our Human rights need to be a guarantee, Brexit, no Brexit, hard or soft.

Else it's rather a slippery slope ta travel.
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posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

If we cannot trust them to work out the likes of Brexit why should we trust them with our Human rights?

It's a viable question given the current situation, and is indeed a concern, given the current predicament our government is in, and/or a lack of a workable exit plan.

They don't exactly inspire confidence at the moment, any of them, so trust is not a given by any manner nor means.
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posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

It's all a bit repetitive. There is no evidence the UK out of the EU will revert to savagery. If anything, there is opportunity to improve and enhance for the UK and not try to fit a one-size solution where there is not a fit. For example, UK (farm) welfare standards are generally much netter than EU norms and that's a strength - EU law and regulations are designed around the French and German ideas, which most Brits would reject out of hand e.g intensive pig farming.

It's an unwelcome fact for the naysayers and pessimistic, but politicians don't usually get away with implementing unpopular laws, or turning the clock back. Sometimes unpopular EU laws have been implemented without UK politicians having much choice, or - more commonly - bothering to oppose.

Some politicians have discovered Parliamentary processes and sovereignty to argue that the EU should continue to subvert Parliamentary sovereignty. Crazy.
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posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

Crazy is the perfect word to describe the whole situation really.

And it's not like there's any perceivable light at the end of the tunnel to bring an end to the madness.

Something is definitely broken.



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin




posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 03:35 PM
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Satire:


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posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: djz3ro
I've yet to hear a shred of evidence about why the EU needs us as much as we need them...

We are net contributors to the tune of billions £'s each year.
Do we 'need' to give that money to the EU, or does the EU need that money? If they don't 'need' that money then let's just have a decent trade deal.


First off, the UK never pays the full fee for EU membership, it gets a rebate which is applied immediately (more on that here) but I can't seem to find a figure on the amount of money in grants and other contributions we get from tbe EU to see what the final figure is once the cash has flowed both ways
First off, the UK is a net contributor to the tune of billions of £'s each year. Which bit of that can you possibly dispute? It is about 8 or 9 billion.
All we get from the EU is our own money back.


I've searched this a few times and to this day haven't been able to work out a figure of what the EU gives us in the way of subsidies and discounts etc. I'd really like to know what the total is when the cash stops flowing both ways



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

I've searched this a few times and to this day haven't been able to work out a figure of what the EU gives us in the way of subsidies and discounts etc. I'd really like to know what the total is when the cash stops flowing both ways



I have been looking for you and many of the figures are being fudged, looks

like deliberately so...... However I came across this which i found interesting

hope you do too, On top of our fees......

I was not aware of it before!!!



UK is the second largest contributer to EU budget through VAT

Close to a fifth of VAT contributions that go into the European Union (EU) budget comes from UK taxpayers. This is the second highest of any EU member, according to new research by Business for Britain.

The lobby group, which wants the UK to get what it believes would be a fairer deal from the EU, calculated that between 2007 and 2013, 17.7 per cent of EU-wide VAT contributions came from the UK.

This equates to each person putting £246 into the EU budget, and is £78 more than the EU average.

France was the only country that paid a greater amount of VAT to the EU, contributing 18.3 per cent.

Matthew Elliott, chief executive of Business for Britain, said: “Many people simply don’t realise every time that they pay VAT some of that money is going straight to Brussels.”

The group also note that the EU Commission has called for greater use of the standard rate of VAT, and a uniform EU rate of VAT. They calculate that removing zero and reduced rate VAT would cost every UK household up to £1,697 a year.

www.cityam.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2019 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Surprisingly I've just got in from the pub, again.
All discussions about Brexit over the last few nights have had several things in common; overall disgust with our politicians and their incompetence and their disregard for the people, anger at the EU and its bullying, contemptuous attitude to the British people and their disillusionment with the system in general.

I've just watched some random programme where a panel of Europeans and Remainers were spouting the usual doom and gloom, predicting that the UK would become nothing better than a third world country if we implement Brexit.
One person even said we 'owe' the EU our status on the world stage!

Yes, there's many complications - but I for one have had enough.
Bollocks to them all - we go out on our terms, we own them nothing.

Let's stop the whinging and moaning, stop worrying about the 'what if's' and get on with rebuilding this country on OUR terms!

Are people so weak and lacking anything remotely resembling a spine and a bit of pride?
Do people have so little faith in themselves, each other and our resourcefulness?



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
I've just watched some random programme where a panel of Europeans and Remainers were spouting the usual doom and gloom, predicting that the UK would become nothing better than a third world country if we implement Brexit.
One person even said we 'owe' the EU our status on the world stage!


I have noticed a sea-change on the doom and gloom and the accepted fact we are all going to die. It's the mantra that is leading us to another referendum. It's becoming accepted wisdom that the UK will collapse, which is a really poorly bias position because it won't be as bad as some people want us to believe it will be. It's all negative politics.

I am really disappointed with the inability of politicians to resolve this, and particularly the politicking coming from Labour. Everyone is voting everything down, but no one coming up with solutions. The MPs are causing paralysis as a was to push or another referendum, hence the repetition of doom and gloom as way to push for an over-turn of the original vote. Highly cynical and divisive.
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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn
The fear mongering is strong.
The Scots are the worst for it, you only have to see them on ATS, totally sucked into SNP propaganda.
I'm up for a WTO exit and say # it see what happens. Sure there will be some short/medium term challenges, but in the long term the UK will survive and prosper. We'll also have 8 or 9 billion £'s a year more to spend on our people instead of propping up Greece or Spain.
I actually think the people afraid of independence are shameful, weak, coward citizens who suck on the teat of the welfare state.
It is why the Scots on ATS are so pro EU, they have their social housing and fear losing their socialist benefits.
Next to # all social housing in my parts, we look after ourselves and make do as we can as individual independent humans.
Freedom!!!
...and real freedom, not some lame pretend freedom which Scots want while shackled and governed by the EU. They haven't got the balls though, #ing pussies.



posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:15 AM
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posted on Jan, 20 2019 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake
Lame. Like the queen gives a # about any of it.
She's sorted whatever happens.







 
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