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posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 05:49 AM
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My computer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium(6.1.7601 Build 7601)
Physical Memory (Installed): 8 GB Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G840 @ 2.80GHz System
Type: x64-based PC
Display Adapter(s): Intel(R) HD Graphics Family 8.15.10.2618
System Manufacturer: ASRock
System Model: Z68 Pro3-M
Network Adapter(s): Kaspersky Security Data Escort Adapter 9.0.0.21

Has “C” Drive and “D” drive on the one hard disk.

For my backup program I’ve been using ‘Simple Data Backup’, Its not perfect but it does enable to backup my subject data folders as desired and I can set and go to bed and by morning its finished.

‘Simple Data Backup’ uses scrrun.dll.

I use DLL Suite to keep the .dll’s up to date but the problem is, that every time I run it, it seems it has to replace about 150 .dll’s each time, meaning if I run it every day, they get replaced every day. This may be quite usual for all I know.

However; DLL Suite will not fix this problem so I used Free .dll to download scrrun.dll. The problem is there are 4 versions of this .dll so I downloaded and installed one to see it fixed the problem but no it didn’t, so I did the same with the other 3 of them but none will get Simple Data Backup’ going.

When I run Scan. FC/ or how ever its spelt, It always comes up saying it “found x problems it could not fix some of them.” This has been going on for years but I have only began to experience these .dll problems in recent times. Not worried about them to much because the computer has kept functioning.

Something tells me something is going wrong in the HD somewhere and somehow but I don’t know what it is.

I would like to get my Simple Data Backup’ going again. As I can’t find anything that seems to enable back up by subject data folders. Easeus seems to offer this but then it doesn’t seem to offer much tailerisation either.

Perhaps I’m just doing it wrong.

I’d like to know what might be causing so many .dll’s get thrown out and why Simple Data Backup’ wont accept any I put in there. Try one don’t work, throw it out, restart, get do the same with another etc.

I’ve considered the age of the computer its about 5-6 years old but I have a spare WD 2 TB disc which I have interchanged a couple of times the ?? 2 TB disc.

For my key programs I run:
SuperAnti Spyware
1Obit antimalware
1Obit Advanced SystemCare
Reg Organizer
Avira
Fire Fox.
Windows 7 Manager

And an large assortment of other programs for a whole lot of other things, mostly fixers cleaners and specialist applications.

All thoughts welcome.




posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

My first advice would be this:

Deinstall your backup program completely, restart the PC and then try re-installing to see if that fixes the problem.

Do not use 3rd party utilities such as you mention on Windows 7. They rarely help. Reg cleaners, fixers, compacters (and dll "fixers") et al are imho (sys-admin) junk and never needed.

If Windows cannot fix the problems then I doubt a 3rd party utility will be able to either and may even make things worse.

If push comes to shove, you may need to do a clean install of Windows. That will cure your problems but will cost you a little time.

On the positive side, you posted a clear and complete "bug report", that doesn't always happen.


Good luck and please report back. There is someone more experienced than me here that also reads these threads.
He may come to help too.
edit on 15/1/19 by LightSpeedDriver because: Typo

edit on 15/1/19 by LightSpeedDriver because: Typo



posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 07:44 AM
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Probably with running all those sorts of snake oil programs which do very little these days at best you've entered a realm of DLL hell, windows sorts itself out with DLL versions normally via the SXS folder which you shouldn't mess with unless you want to cause chaos.

The problem is that if everythings got its panties in a twizz is how to fix it and believe me it'll probably be a job that will take the best of us weeks and thats if theres the required files available.

scrrun.dll is a windows system file containing bits of code for scripting bits to do with file handling so like most things should be left alone.

The quickest solution will be to backup to a couple of external drives anything of importance and then nuke/reinstall win 7 without all those sort of programs.



posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 07:52 AM
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Sounds like one of those "Here , hold my beer. Hey y'all watch this...." episodes
Never , ever replace an OS DLL file
If SFC /scannow finds issues , "google" how to use DISM to repair Windows (whatever version)

Linky thingy from Microsoft themselves

DISM

No devil
Worth a chuckle from me though
Highly trained professional. Don't try this at home.
Actually , MS recommends this one.

ETA: I just noticed that you said you run a boatload of cleaning programs and anti-virus

Word from the old and wise
CUT DOWN

1) Windows Defender
2)Malwarebytes (no , not real-time . Just use it to scan about once a month. DO NOT set it to start with Windows)
3) CCleaner for cleaning system and registry scans (careful with the latter and make sure you let CCleaner back up the registry before repairing)

Thats about all ya need

edit on 1/15/19 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 08:17 AM
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This might help you.

stackoverflow.com...



posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

When you reinstall, leave out that DLL Suite. It isn't helping. Even if you have properly registered these dlls, by the time there are 150 bad files, your system is totally hosed. Even doing a repair with the installation disk won't help. You will still have to reinstall all your programs so you may as well start fresh.



posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: Azureblue

Windows 2000 fixed most of the "dll hell" problems with Windows File Protection and the side by side (SXS) assembly. Later versions morphed some of that into Windows Resource Protection. Most of the issues were with ancient 16 bit programs. You shouldn't mess with .dll's on Windows later than 2000, especially if the OS is 64 bit!

The .dll Suite sounds to me like snake oil, as are registry cleaners.

Also multiple anti-malware products with realtime (always on) scanning at the same time can conflict with each other. Pick your favorite and uninstall all the rest.

My guess is that you have a hopelessly messed up registry and set of .dll's if you have been running these programs for a while.

There are some suggestions to repair the system like using DISM or Tweaking.com's Windows Repair, but really, I would recommend that you copy off all your documents and files, record all your license keys and copy off all your installer files, download drivers from your manufacturer and archive your e-mails all to an external drive.

Then, create or locate bootable installation media. Wipe your system drive and reinstall clean.

A fresh start is sometimes the quickest and most assured fix. Sorry.



posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Azureblue

I often use ccleaner to look after general issues. I find the registry cleaner to be the most help with something like what you're facing. You likely have some files from an old program still lingering and causing havoc.




posted on Jan, 15 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

DISM is the correct answer, if there is not a hardware issue.

Definitely i would dump all the av crap including dll scanners and run either webroot or malwarebytes. Ccleaner wss packed with a trojan at one point. Avoid.



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: Azureblue

Thanks everyone. I will do a complete reinstall but I only did one about 6-8 weeks ago. I'll take on board that having multiple registry and other cleaners is not a good idea but is it prudent to have one registery cleaner and If which would be recommended.

I have some crackware in use too. What are peoples thoughts on that subject? The only reason I have it is because I get sick and tired of programs and popups constantly wanting me to upgrade to pro editions all the time.

For some strange reason,Its difficult for me to have Malware bytes on my computer because the window relating to dealing with problems opens in a size that is bigger than the screen and I cannot see the "deal with" buttons because they are out of view. I wrote to Malware bytes about this but nothing they suggested worked. Resizing the screen to make it fit is damn annoying, but yes it is a good program otherwise.

I got stuff to do over the next several days but I'll report back when I get up and running again after reinstall

thanks



posted on Jan, 16 2019 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: Azureblue

Thanks everyone. I will do a complete reinstall but I only did one about 6-8 weeks ago. I'll take on board that having multiple registry and other cleaners is not a good idea but is it prudent to have one registery cleaner and If which would be recommended.

I have some crackware in use too. What are peoples thoughts on that subject? The only reason I have it is because I get sick and tired of programs and popups constantly wanting me to upgrade to pro editions all the time.

For some strange reason,Its difficult for me to have Malware bytes on my computer because the window relating to dealing with problems opens in a size that is bigger than the screen and I cannot see the "deal with" buttons because they are out of view. I wrote to Malware bytes about this but nothing they suggested worked. Resizing the screen to make it fit is damn annoying, but yes it is a good program otherwise.

I got stuff to do over the next several days but I'll report back when I get up and running again after reinstall

thanks

I honestly wouldn't have a registry cleaner at all. I really don't see the need for taking the risk.

The registry is really a type of database. It can also be used to store proprietary and licensing information. It is backed up and checked for integrity automatically. An actual corruption would probably cause the backup to be used.

Even if you uninstall a program and it leaves a stack of stuff behind in the registry, it isn't actually 'corrupt'. It is legitimate data that just happens to relate to an uninstalled app.

Having a third party app go through and try and identify what is, and isn't, valid, is sure to remove some legitimate entries. There is too much latitude on how the registry can be used by programmers and they may choose a format that looks different, even though the values held may be legit. Your registry cleaner may then delete legit data just because it can't possibly know how the data was meant to be used.

And while reading a larger registry may seem that it would be slower, the few bytes that most cleaners remove really aren't that much of a change and I doubt that you could even measure any 'time saving'.



posted on Jan, 18 2019 @ 02:16 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: Azureblue

Thanks everyone. I will do a complete reinstall but I only did one about 6-8 weeks ago. I'll take on board that having multiple registry and other cleaners is not a good idea but is it prudent to have one registery cleaner and If which would be recommended.

I have some crackware in use too. What are peoples thoughts on that subject? The only reason I have it is because I get sick and tired of programs and popups constantly wanting me to upgrade to pro editions all the time.

For some strange reason,Its difficult for me to have Malware bytes on my computer because the window relating to dealing with problems opens in a size that is bigger than the screen and I cannot see the "deal with" buttons because they are out of view. I wrote to Malware bytes about this but nothing they suggested worked. Resizing the screen to make it fit is damn annoying, but yes it is a good program otherwise.

I got stuff to do over the next several days but I'll report back when I get up and running again after reinstall

thanks

I honestly wouldn't have a registry cleaner at all. I really don't see the need for taking the risk.

The registry is really a type of database. It can also be used to store proprietary and licensing information. It is backed up and checked for integrity automatically. An actual corruption would probably cause the backup to be used.

Even if you uninstall a program and it leaves a stack of stuff behind in the registry, it isn't actually 'corrupt'. It is legitimate data that just happens to relate to an uninstalled app.

Having a third party app go through and try and identify what is, and isn't, valid, is sure to remove some legitimate entries. There is too much latitude on how the registry can be used by programmers and they may choose a format that looks different, even though the values held may be legit. Your registry cleaner may then delete legit data just because it can't possibly know how the data was meant to be used.

And while reading a larger registry may seem that it would be slower, the few bytes that most cleaners remove really aren't that much of a change and I doubt that you could even measure any 'time saving'.


A lot of good points there, thanks, I will take that on board.

What I have noticed is that after one of the programs I have, dont know which one, but I then have to reset all of my passwords and login data, a right pain the arse.

Just to day I used the 'programs' feature in CCleaner and I found a heap of programs which "Uninstall Programs" did not find. They all had very long file names with lots of sub drectories. I deleted them all.

Im going to take a few days and see how things go with them deleted but I will visit that function much more often.



posted on Jan, 22 2019 @ 03:17 AM
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Right; As things have turned out I have had to do a complete reinstall because when I selected "Repair Install' it went straight to full reinstall. Lost a xxxxx load of valuable data too.

I downloaded some crackware which was infected and things went down hill from there.

I take head of not playing with the regsitery because I think I narrowed why when I have to redo all my passwords when every time I did that and I am now certain it was Wise Care.




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