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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion


However. The statistics from the last 10 years or so are even worse, I'm calling this spade a fricken bulldozer. The OP is actually pushing the beautified numbers and handing you a hand to ignore the whole topic, as in "meh... nearly fifty-fifty".


I think you often misunderstand my position, which is easy to do as I don't identify myself with popular ideologies.

I've said before in this thread that yes the domestic terrorism in the last 17 years has been mostly by the right. I was making a point when I said it could be framed to one's preference of outcome by changing dates/location.

My point is that lunatics hijack vessels (ideological groups) to gain power. The more people fixate on their favorite or enemy, the more they make it possible to be bamboozled by a hijacker dressed up as a white knight.




posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey




OK. Conspiracy?


More like a snapshot in a clip for "Brokes, Misfortunes and Breakdowns". We're talking conspiracy facts at this point. Meanwhile in somewhat related news...

Germans Deep State Conspiracy For A Fascist Coup



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver

Not really looking to debate you, I kind of feel sorry for the OP being so naive in contunuting to debate with you as if your going to “get it”.
How many murders are attributed to far right extremists? This question is completely within the bounds of the OP. And should be easy for anyone to answer.


Google is your friend.

Stop with the lazy arguments expecting the OP to find d the evidence to support your arguments.
You are trying to make a point that far right terrorism is the biggest threat to our country. I’m asking you to post sources that will show that number in all of it’s glory. If you don’t know, then how do you know it’s the biggest threat. I’m only asking you to post sources. Which is plainly stated in the OP that it is required if you make any claims.


Ok am going to bite, I will give you a full explanation however please do not insult me by telling me that the numbers are wrong or the source bias without providing any kind of proof to support a counter argument.

My assertion is that since 9/11 there have been more attacks by individuals/groups with right-wing ideologies above all other ideologies and that as such it is the biggest terrorist threat facing America right now.

My proof for this come from official government statistics and analysis from the United States Government Accountability Office who in their report have stated that:


fatalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violet extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016


As such it is reasonable to then say that based on this information that American citizens are more likely to be the victims of a terrorist attacks stemming from right-wing ideologies above any other ideology on the basis of these statistics. Given then that 73% of attacks since 9/11 have had right-wing motivations it is reasonable to me to assert that right-wing terrorism poses the biggest terrorist threat to the United States of America.

So you asked for the information and I have just spoon fed it to you, if you still disagree then please either back up your argument, accept that your opinion is not backed up by facts or concede the point that right-wing terrorism poses a bigger threat to America than from any other ideology.

NOTE The OP is specifically talking about terrorism in the United States of America from after 9/11/2001 to present day, so don't even try coming at me by moving those goalposts.
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker



I think you often misunderstand my position


And I think you still tend to misunderstand my poetry, but I can work with that as well. Once Joe Bag of Donuts picks up the phone, of course.





My point is that lunatics hijack vessels (ideological groups) to gain power. The more people fixate on their favorite or enemy, the more they make it possible to be bamboozled by a hijacker dressed up as a white knight.


Have another great quote for that drift:


“In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.”

Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism




posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: jjkenobi




your liberal media "sources"


Like... errr... "The Daily Caller". Right.


Founder(s)

Tucker Carlson
Neil Patel

en.wikipedia.org...

This didn't even go beyond the first page and some rightwingnut went full blown moronic already. Not bad.


Didn't answer the question. And cherry picked one source. Good job!!


What about the Congress - good source? It was in the OP.


Thanks, again, I'm not wasting hours of my life to go through your sources. My hunch is the "facts" they spout can be summed up to any crime a white man commits is domestic right wing terrorism, while at the same time completely ignoring the obvious left wing groups like BLM and Antifa, etc.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: jjkenobi




your liberal media "sources"


Like... errr... "The Daily Caller". Right.


Founder(s)

Tucker Carlson
Neil Patel

en.wikipedia.org...

This didn't even go beyond the first page and some rightwingnut went full blown moronic already. Not bad.


Didn't answer the question. And cherry picked one source. Good job!!


What about the Congress - good source? It was in the OP.


Thanks, again, I'm not wasting hours of my life to go through your sources. My hunch is the "facts" they spout can be summed up to any crime a white man commits is domestic right wing terrorism, while at the same time completely ignoring the obvious left wing groups like BLM and Antifa, etc.


I am sure you have sources for the assertion (or scientifically, "hunch"):


any crime a white man commits is domestic right wing terrorism
?

And what murders did BLM and ANTIFA commit?
I am sure you have sources for those assertions also, right?
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: tanstaafl

We're talking about a group of people that believe a large subset of the population needs to be eradicated for not being "pure." I don't think they really care much about personal liberties.

Then you haven't thought it through.

How are they supposed to engage in their campaigns of hate without the civil liberties to do so?



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

So there's a massive conspiracy by the Left and Right to bring the white man down? Every study done on this subject, regardless of source, has found the same thing. Right Wing extremists are responsible for more terror attacks in this country than any other demographic. By a large amount.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

And this is yet another perfect example of why I say its so important to separate the politics of ideology form the acts of terrorism themselves.



my hunch is the "facts" they spout can be summed up to any crime a white man commits is domestic right wing terrorism


Well you hunch isn't proof of anything; all you're actually saying in this post is that you disagree with the statistics because they don't fit in with your ideology. Take off your politics tinted shades and then the issues become much clearer.



while at the same time completely ignoring the obvious left wing groups like BLM and Antifa,


Terrorism by the left is recognised in the statistics just not the the extent that you would like.

Another member made the point earlier that if you point out that most deaths from terrorism globally are the result of islamic extremism nobody bats a eye-lid, yet as soon as you highlight that 73% or terrorist attacks in America since 2001 have been motivated by right-wing ideologies all of a sudden people get all uptight about it.

Again just like all Islamic Terrorists are Muslim but not all Muslims are terrorists, all right-wing terrorists hold right-wing views but not everyone who holds right-wing views are terrorists. Nobody is trying to argue that all politics that leans on the right equates to terrorism
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey

originally posted by: jjkenobi

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: jjkenobi




your liberal media "sources"


Like... errr... "The Daily Caller". Right.


Founder(s)

Tucker Carlson
Neil Patel

en.wikipedia.org...

This didn't even go beyond the first page and some rightwingnut went full blown moronic already. Not bad.


Didn't answer the question. And cherry picked one source. Good job!!


What about the Congress - good source? It was in the OP.


Thanks, again, I'm not wasting hours of my life to go through your sources. My hunch is the "facts" they spout can be summed up to any crime a white man commits is domestic right wing terrorism, while at the same time completely ignoring the obvious left wing groups like BLM and Antifa, etc.


Here, replace the word solution with fact.


hahahahah. You're a hoot. The numbers are low for domestic terrorism anyways (commited by ideological extremists).

I truly think the point of OP is some people can't be honest enough to say "Yea, like anyone, we have a few bad eggs".

God forbid.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker




I truly think the point of OP is some people can't be honest enough to say "Yea, like anyone, we have a few bad eggs".



I have to say I have been following your posts on this thread and you made some really good points and this, this is one of the best because it really simplifies the issue at hand.

Because really that's all the OP is pointing out when you boil it down that like all groups there are a few bad eggs and it just so happens that there might be a couple more rotten ones in this basket than those other baskets over there.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Because really that's all the OP is pointing out when you boil it down that like all groups there are a few bad eggs and it just so happens that there might be a couple more rotten ones in this basket than those other baskets over there.


I even tried to low key show people that pages ago.

This was a fishing expedition, and boy did OP catch a bounty.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

First line of the Post:


I am posting this thread on right wing domestic terrorism in hopes to find some fasts (facts) on the subject. There have been may conflicting claims about specific groups, and even political parties or ideologies, causing domestic terrorism.


Have had a lot of off-topic, thread-derailing comments.

I don't think a lot of folks on ATS want to admit there is a big gorilla in these rooms.


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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Because really that's all the OP is pointing out when you boil it down that like all groups there are a few bad eggs and it just so happens that there might be a couple more rotten ones in this basket than those other baskets over there.


I even tried to low key show people that pages ago.

This was a fishing expedition, and boy did OP catch a bounty.


Yeah but terrorism is kind of like that, its over-reported and often sensationalised. Its another interesting aspect to the phenomenon 40 people die in a nightclub and it dominates the press for weeks, 40 people die in a single day due to drunk drivers (or whatever you want) and its not even on the news.

The actual numbers of people who are prepared to commit acts of terrorism is actually very small.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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This is all hilarious.

Total people killed by Far Right Extremists between 2000-2016 is 49... or about 3 per year.

Total People killed on 9/11/2001 by Islamic extremists 2,977.... Spread out over 15 years, that's nearly 300 per year.

Lightning kills ~27 per year...

Even vending machines are closing in on those domestic terrorists at an average of 2.18 deaths per year from 1978-1995

This is "far right extremist" stuff is a contrived narrative, trying to sway the masses with trigger words. AKA Propaganda.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:40 PM
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I don't think a lot of folks on ATS want to admit there is a big gorilla in these rooms.



I see you're kind of new here...not saying that to sound patronising but rather I think it might help you if I impart some advise.

ATS is a alt-right conspiracy forum with strong right leaning ideas being popular. Now lots of people like to deny that because there are one or two of us crazy libtards that like to mix it up a bit but if you've come over hear from a Reddit politics page then it might feel like you're a gay guy whose just walked into the local sunday school after having had your transexual girl-who-is-also-sometimes-a-boyfriend have a abortion trying to tell people that god is a myth and Trump was a bad guy...no you dont need all those guns and immigration isnt actually a bad thing if its sprinkled with a pinch of socialism. Few are ever going to agree with you no matter how good your evidence is, no matter how logical your argument is and no matter how well written your posts may be.

Dude, I 100% sympathise with you, I really do but I think you're also being really naive to expect some members to admit that actually, yeah, right-wing terrorism is a bit of a problem when they subscribe to a ideology that says the right is right and the left are a bunch of terrorist commies who are trying to steel their guns.

I am honestly surprised by how much support this thread has had so far really.

but yeah, if you think this is bad just wait to the crazy trump twitter thread. Really I find the best approach is to sometimes just let them wallow in their own ignorance and if they want to have the last post then let them have it, let them have the 40 plus stars they end up with as well.
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:46 PM
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Note that many of our sources like to exclude 9/11. The OP's NYT citation, for example, prefers to excuse 9/11 from its assertion ("White supremacists and other far-right extremists have killed far more people since Sept. 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremist. ") for the obvious reasons. This seems to me a piece of politically motivated deception.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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Thanks for the advice. I will keep it in mind in the future.

For this post I really wanted to see if members could come up with some alternative sources, interpretations, or logic to shed light on my research. I guess what I found is that most posters who can't provide any facts try to talk about anything but the stated topic, and try to drag you into side discussions that have nothing to do with the original scope of the topic.

I said "good day" to a few of them and ignored them. They sure did keep on trying though, I have to give them that!

Thanks again.




posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

To be fair 9/11 is a bit of an anomaly in the statistics.

Btw I liked you last post in this thread, I criticise often enough but that was a good one.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf

To be fair 9/11 is a bit of an anomaly in the statistics.


It isn't. It was the biggest terrorist attack on US soil, and in US history, in both deaths and destruction, and has had the greatest demonstrable effect on both domestic and foreign policies. To exclude it from the statistics makes no sense at all.



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