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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Woodcarver

If that were the case why was Unite the Right organized by neo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, and white supremacist groups? Why do they so often support Right Wing candidates?

I mean just this past November there were multiple elections that had Nazis on the ticket. Every single one was a GOP candidate.

Historically an argument could be made that Nazism is a Leftist ideology (although I personally think it's a very weak argument) but in the modern world neo-Nazis and other forms of white supremacists are firmly in the Right Wing camp.
sources please for all of the nazi’s running on the GOP ticket?




posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey


Source on BLM or Antifa folks who "kill for their leftist ideologies?" I asked for the sources for any killings attributed to them in the OP.


And I gave you one... and you ignored it... so I'll give it to you again:
Five Dallas Officers Were Killed as Payback, Police Chief Says

I'll even include excerpts from the article this time:

Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group, either peaceful or violent, but his Facebook page showed that he supported the New Black Panther Party, a group that has advocated violence against whites, and Jews in particular.


During the standoff, Mr. Johnson, who was black, told police negotiators that “he was upset about Black Lives Matter,” Chief Brown said. “He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.”


There is an example of someone ready, willing and able to kill for his leftist ideological beliefs.

What say you? What's the point?

Violence isn't limited to one side or another... Violence isn't wrong because it's from one side or another... Killing isn't wrong because it's associated with one side or another... it's wrong because violence is wrong.

So what is your point?



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why on a thread about right-wing domestic terrorism are you wanting to talk about Antifa?

OP brought them up and specifically excluded them or anyone affiliated with them. Stating that they are too loosely affiliated to be included in the study. OP then includes lone wolf actors from the right who are not affiliated with any groups. It just seems like an unfair distinction.

I simply asked which groups make up antifa.


Notice in the OP (if you read it) that I talk primarily about right-wing domestic terrorists, not right-wing terrorist groups. The only "groups" i did bring up were BLM and Antifa, because that seems to be the fact-free go-to for posters on ATS to respond to the topic of this OP.

You wanted to know what right-wing groups are out there, rather than discuss the topic.
edit on 14-1-2019 by FilthyUSMonkey because: Put in cheap shot at fellow ATSer.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Oklahoma Bomber.




That same day, Terry Nichols, an associate of McVeigh’s, surrendered in Herington, Kansas. Both men were found to be members of a radical right-wing survivalist group based in Michigan.


www.history.com...



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver




This month it’s the far right


This month, last month, the month before that...since 9/11. That is 18 years. Own it. Then you can deal with it.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

What are some of these far-right groups? If you could post some sources for who these groups are that are conducting all of this far right terrorism, you could uphold your own standard of posting sources.

I noticed you left antifa out because you feel they aren’t an organized lot, so who are all of the far right groups that are organized better than antifa?


There's hundreds of pro fourth reich terrorists groups in Europe, planning to launch major attacks - mainly trained by Russia. It's the biggest worldwide terror threat
Combat 18 - nail bombe london
Britain First - beheaded an MP
Welsh English Defence League - killed quite a few and train in bombs/guns
Redwatch (a website hit list killing people involved in anti racism)
Golden Dawn - was a big war in Greece with Golden Dawn and Anti-FA for a few years, military and police were very pro Hitler
National Action - keep getting caught making bombs, planning terror attacks
US has plenty on the neo-Nazi terror, nuclear site bombing side.

Hundreds more sadly.


Not to forget the german terrorgroup NSU (National Socialist Underground):

The NSU is mostly associated with Uwe Mundlos, Uwe Böhnhardt and Beate Zschäpe, who lived together under false identities. Between 100 and 150 further associates were identified who supported the core trio in their decade-long underground life and provided them with money, false identities, and weapons.

Unlike other terror groups, the NSU had not claimed responsibility for their actions. The group's existence was only discovered following the deaths of Böhnhardt and Mundlos, and the subsequent arrest of Zschäpe.

So far, the following crimes have been attributed to the NSU: the National Socialist Underground murders, a series of murders of nine immigrants of Turkish, Greek and Kurdish descent between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006; the murder of a policewoman and attempted murder of her colleague; a 1999 bombing in Nuremberg; he 2001 and 2004 Cologne bombings; and a series of 14 bank robberies. The Attorney General of Germany called the NSU a "right-wing extremist group whose purpose was to kill foreigners, and citizens of foreign origin".
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why on a thread about right-wing domestic terrorism are you wanting to talk about Antifa?

OP brought them up and specifically excluded them or anyone affiliated with them. Stating that they are too loosely affiliated to be included in the study. OP then includes lone wolf actors from the right who are not affiliated with any groups. It just seems like an unfair distinction.

I simply asked which groups make up antifa.


Notice in the OP (if you read it) that I talk primarily about right-wing domestic terrorists, not right-wing terrorist groups. The only "groups" i did bring up were BLM and Antifa, because that seems to be the fact-free go-to for posters on ATS to respond to the topic of this OP.

You wanted to know what right-wing groups are out there, rather than discuss the topic. Are you shopping around for a new club or something? /sarc
I know that you put this in the mud pit, but i have been completely civil in all of my posts. I would appreciate if you could show a little restraint.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Woodcarver




This month it’s the far right


This month, last month, the month before that...since 9/11. That is 18 years. Own it. Then you can deal with it.
Own what? I’m not a terrorist. The study you are citing is including things like suspected white supremacists and the las vegas shooter to bloster the numbers. There is no known motivation from the las vegas shooter, but it includes him as anti government far right.
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Any group or individual that uses violence to achieve their political or social goals is to be condemned. There are plenty of extremists on all sides of the political spectrum willing to do such things and it is on all of us to condemn such violent actions.

All of them....not just the one we are opposed to. Too often people are willing to turn a blind eye to violence when it is used for something we support to a certain extent.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22




I'm not the one trying to prove how evil the right wing is or isnt.


Big set of nopes on your strawman. I initiated a discussion that had a premise: "Right-wing Domestic terrorism" is the largests domestic terrorist threat right now.

Nothing about conflating that to all of the right-wing, conservatives, republicans, et al.

It is your brain that is interpreting the facts and sources I presented as an attack on all of the right, and you are projecting that to me.
Please distinguish between your own persona brain yelps, leaps of faith, and internal projections from the reality of the words I wrote. You may find more peace inside your head.
edit on 14-1-2019 by FilthyUSMonkey because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey


Source on BLM or Antifa folks who "kill for their leftist ideologies?" I asked for the sources for any killings attributed to them in the OP.


And I gave you one... and you ignored it... so I'll give it to you again:
Five Dallas Officers Were Killed as Payback, Police Chief Says

I'll even include excerpts from the article this time:

Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group, either peaceful or violent, but his Facebook page showed that he supported the New Black Panther Party, a group that has advocated violence against whites, and Jews in particular.


During the standoff, Mr. Johnson, who was black, told police negotiators that “he was upset about Black Lives Matter,” Chief Brown said. “He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.”


There is an example of someone ready, willing and able to kill for his leftist ideological beliefs.

What say you? What's the point?

Violence isn't limited to one side or another... Violence isn't wrong because it's from one side or another... Killing isn't wrong because it's associated with one side or another... it's wrong because violence is wrong.

So what is your point?

Sure. Not a member of BLM. But a domestic terrorist, I agree. However, this is anecdotal, and the statistics still stand that right-wing terrorists commit the most murders.

And once again :Not a member of BLM.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why on a thread about right-wing domestic terrorism are you wanting to talk about Antifa?

OP brought them up and specifically excluded them or anyone affiliated with them. Stating that they are too loosely affiliated to be included in the study. OP then includes lone wolf actors from the right who are not affiliated with any groups. It just seems like an unfair distinction.

I simply asked which groups make up antifa.


Notice in the OP (if you read it) that I talk primarily about right-wing domestic terrorists, not right-wing terrorist groups. The only "groups" i did bring up were BLM and Antifa, because that seems to be the fact-free go-to for posters on ATS to respond to the topic of this OP.

You wanted to know what right-wing groups are out there, rather than discuss the topic. Are you shopping around for a new club or something? /sarc
I know that you put this in the mud pit, but i have been completely civil in all of my posts. I would appreciate if you could show a little restraint.


I stand corrected, and will not engage in any more /sarc with you. It was a cheap shot for a cheap laugh. I will edit it out.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

maybe in your world.

National Socialist Underground

They killed 10 people and hurt dozens. They played Holocaust Monopoly in their freetime. And no, they werent leftis, sorry.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

The facts show that 7 people die per year from the perceived threat of right wing radical terrorism.

If you think that's a problem then we definitely have different opinions.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Woodcarver




This month it’s the far right


This month, last month, the month before that...since 9/11. That is 18 years. Own it. Then you can deal with it.
Own what? I’m not a terrorist. The study you are citing is including things like suspected white supremacists and the las vegas shooter to bloster the numbers. There is no known motivation from the las vegas shooter, but it includes him as anti government far right.


Some of the sources I provided list "all terrorists." I did this out of fairness. Some have black panthers included, environmental groups, etc. But I listed as wide a variety of sources so that folks could consider them and decide what seemed credible. Looks like you have done some of this.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Any group or individual that uses violence to achieve their political or social goals is to be condemned. There are plenty of extremists on all sides of the political spectrum willing to do such things and it is on all of us to condemn such violent actions.

All of them....not just the one we are opposed to. Too often people are willing to turn a blind eye to violence when it is used for something we support to a certain extent.



I don't agree with the statement:


Any group or individual that uses violence to achieve their political or social goals is to be condemned.


What about the US revolution? The Civil war? WWII? Any war?



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey


And once again :Not a member of BLM.


And there it is. So this is just a gotcha question. You really don't care about the violence... and particularly about violence committed for leftist ideology. Nope. Just put enough conditions on your question and you can rationalize away the crimes of the left for cheap partisan political points.

Gotcha.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey


Source on BLM or Antifa folks who "kill for their leftist ideologies?" I asked for the sources for any killings attributed to them in the OP.


And I gave you one... and you ignored it... so I'll give it to you again:
Five Dallas Officers Were Killed as Payback, Police Chief Says

I'll even include excerpts from the article this time:

Officials said they had found no evidence that the gunman, Micah Johnson, 25, had direct ties to any protest or political group, either peaceful or violent, but his Facebook page showed that he supported the New Black Panther Party, a group that has advocated violence against whites, and Jews in particular.


During the standoff, Mr. Johnson, who was black, told police negotiators that “he was upset about Black Lives Matter,” Chief Brown said. “He said he was upset about the recent police shootings. The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.”


There is an example of someone ready, willing and able to kill for his leftist ideological beliefs.

What say you? What's the point?

Violence isn't limited to one side or another... Violence isn't wrong because it's from one side or another... Killing isn't wrong because it's associated with one side or another... it's wrong because violence is wrong.

So what is your point?

Sure. Not a member of BLM. But a domestic terrorist, I agree. However, this is anecdotal, and the statistics still stand that right-wing terrorists commit the most murders.

And once again :Not a member of BLM.
Does BLM have a membership roster? Or can it include anyone who agrees with their position?



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:27 AM
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There is an example of someone ready, willing and able to kill for his leftist ideological beliefs.


That's obviously not the case when he was upset with BLM as well.

He had totalitarian beliefs, which is why he looked out for a more violent group to join. Pulling this case out of it's context doesn't achieve much, given the topic of this thread. And it really doesn't bode well to see you folks coming up with the usual whataboutisms here.

Odin sacrificed his right eye as well, right?

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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

The facts show that 7 people die per year from the perceived threat of right wing radical terrorism.

If you think that's a problem then we definitely have different opinions.


First time I have done this in this thread: Sources please?

I think your number is about right, but I would like it to be documented, rather than just a number that you threw out.
edit on 14-1-2019 by FilthyUSMonkey because: (no reason given)




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