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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: jjkenobi




62 people since 2001. Pretty much what we all expected, but didn't want to waste time from our lives proving the study was ludicrous.


Nope, its 106 people and that includes the 49 people killed in the Orlando shooting.

Honestly you lot cry out for sources then don't bother to read them because they don't support your own views.


So 49 of the 106 "right wing" deaths were from that night club shooter? Are you serious?? Omar Mir Seddique Mateen who pledged allegiance to Isis and his parents were from Afghanistan.


FYI there's over 1,000 homicides per year from illegal aliens in the USA.




posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Ohhhh that post gets a big fat star from me.

I bet for most on this thread its the first time they have ever read the name....Sayyid Qutb.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:29 PM
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:32 PM
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So 49 of the 106 "right wing" deaths were from that night club shooter? Are you serious?? Omar Mir Seddique Mateen who pledged allegiance to Isis and his parents were from Afghanistan.



My mistake.

49 of the 119 attributed to Islamic attacks where from the Orlando shooter.

I think you knew thats what I meant though but I will clarify my answer to your question. I have also edited the post to make that clearer.
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: FilthyUSMonkey
a reply to: Propagandalf


I can understand your post. However, consider this:

In 1941 the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. 2,403 Americans were killed and 1,178 others were wounded, and caused the US to enter to WWII. Eighteen years later, in 1959, Japan was no longer a threat. I did intentionally use data from after 9/11.

I asked, "What has been the biggest domestic terrorist threat since 9/11."

Ask a different question, and you will find a different answer.


The answer to your question, according to the Director of the FBI, is


"The threat posed by terrorism—both international terrorism (IT) and domestic terrorism (DT)—has evolved significantly since 9/11. Preventing terrorist attacks remains the FBI’s top priority. We face persistent threats to the homeland and to U.S. interests abroad from HVEs, domestic terrorists, and foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs). The IT threat to the U.S. has expanded from sophisticated, externally directed FTO plots to include individual attacks carried out by HVEs who are inspired by designated terrorist organizations. We remain concerned that groups such as the Islamic State of Iraq and ash-Sham (ISIS) and al Qaeda have the intent to carry out large-scale attacks in the U.S.

The FBI assesses HVEs are the greatest terrorism threat to the homeland. These individuals are global jihad-inspired individuals who are in the U.S., have been radicalized primarily in the U.S., and are not receiving individualized direction from FTOs. We, along with our law enforcement partners, face significant challenges in identifying and disrupting HVEs. This is due, in part, to their lack of a direct connection with an FTO, an ability to rapidly mobilize, and the use of encrypted communications."


www.fbi.gov...

Attacks are one thing, threats are another. A threat would have to include those arrested for terror-related crimes, plots, unsuccessful attacks, etc., which are all missing from our statistics.


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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

What are some of these far-right groups? If you could post some sources for who these groups are that are conducting all of this far right terrorism, you could uphold your own standard of posting sources.

I noticed you left antifa out because you feel they aren’t an organized lot, so who are all of the far right groups that are organized better than antifa?


There's hundreds of pro fourth reich terrorists groups in Europe, planning to launch major attacks - mainly trained by Russia. It's the biggest worldwide terror threat
Combat 18 - nail bombe london
Britain First - beheaded an MP
Welsh English Defence League - killed quite a few and train in bombs/guns
Redwatch (a website hit list killing people involved in anti racism)
Golden Dawn - was a big war in Greece with Golden Dawn and Anti-FA for a few years, military and police were very pro Hitler
National Action - keep getting caught making bombs, planning terror attacks
US has plenty on the neo-Nazi terror, nuclear site bombing side.

Hundreds more sadly.


Not to forget the german terrorgroup NSU (National Socialist Underground):

The NSU is mostly associated with Uwe Mundlos, Uwe Böhnhardt and Beate Zschäpe, who lived together under false identities. Between 100 and 150 further associates were identified who supported the core trio in their decade-long underground life and provided them with money, false identities, and weapons.

Unlike other terror groups, the NSU had not claimed responsibility for their actions. The group's existence was only discovered following the deaths of Böhnhardt and Mundlos, and the subsequent arrest of Zschäpe.

So far, the following crimes have been attributed to the NSU: the National Socialist Underground murders, a series of murders of nine immigrants of Turkish, Greek and Kurdish descent between 9 September 2000 and 6 April 2006; the murder of a policewoman and attempted murder of her colleague; a 1999 bombing in Nuremberg; he 2001 and 2004 Cologne bombings; and a series of 14 bank robberies. The Attorney General of Germany called the NSU a "right-wing extremist group whose purpose was to kill foreigners, and citizens of foreign origin".


Good point hey're the main group organisibng terror trainig camps across Europe/Russia according to Interpol, top international security agencies - already nailed bombed Sweden and a fe othe countries to try and provoke a race war.

Russian troops have been videod training making them with generals supervising - then there's all of easter Europe, north Europe and Eurasia - been involved in exposing it fears.

Main reason it gets little news is they're rubisat making bombs -


NOT A DIG PON THE RIGHT - 99.9PC AEW GREAT PEOPLE - SADLY THE 0.1PC give a bad red (I bollock 'anti-types if they're being arseholes, far better to speak to the sane ones on the other side and hopefully change their views as the terror threat is amassively ignored.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: bastion

Ohhhh that post gets a big fat star from me.

I bet for most on this thread its the first time they have ever read the name....Sayyid Qutb.


If the read his scholarly books on radical individualism, neo-conservatism as the US would rather mow their lawn then help their neighbours.

Him being smeared in pig fat by the CIA in prison then having dogs set on him and subsequent heat attack created Muslim Brotherhood, The Bling Sheik, return to ultha orthodox religion, Bin Laden Al Qu'eds, Political Islam et.... but as if they're ver teach that in school.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver

We are talking about numbers of attacks not numbers of deaths

If you want to include 9/11 in the number of attacks its has a negligible effect on that percentage.

However.

You are deliberately trying to use 9/11 to fudge the numbers not me. The thread is about attacks after 9/11 so what then would we be talking about 9/11?

You're losing this debate so hard at every level I feel sorry for you so am going to stop replying to you until such a time you can stop get with the rest of us and accept that since 9/11 73% of attacks have come from right wing ideologies thus making right wing terrorism the biggest threat statistically.


You are purposefully ignoring data to make the results you want people to believe. That in itself is pretty damning and shows that you are agenda driven instead of fact driven. Nobody does that when assessing actual threats.

You do of course know, and agree that the actual threat is islamic terror, in our country, and the rest of the world. Our government is pretty worried about it, they spend billions on intelligence and security don’t they? How much do they spend on far right extremists? Huh? Not much? And you wonder why? Because it’s not a threat anywhere near the level that islamic extremists are. Is it?

Be real. Stop using a failed propaganda tool to push whatever agenda you are trying to push. Nobody wants any kind of extremists walking around hurting people. But you are purposefully using a study that you know is flawed in it’s logic use of parameters that would be used to assess actual threats.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:44 PM
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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I think our Federal Agencies have neglected the domestic terrorist threat. Homeland Security’ Ignores White Terror, DHS Veterans Say As far-right terror attacks mount, DHS is concentrating on a migrant caravan 1000+ miles away—and some FBI veterans say the bureau isn't taking white supremacy seriously enough. Source



As the country reels from the latest spate of white supremacist murder, nine law-enforcement veterans say that combating violent white supremacy simply isn’t a top focus for the federal agencies mandated to protect Americans from terrorism.

DHS, created in the wake of al Qaeda’s 9/11 attacks, has long considered far-right radicalism to be the FBI’s purview. But the FBI has competing priorities.

Under Donald Trump’s presidency, experts say the threat has only grown–and without commensurate efforts to mitigate it. DHS gutted an interagency task force that represents the only federal effort at preventing radicalization for any form of terrorism. White supremacy was among its targets. “What we’ve lost here is the creation of infrastructure to prevent the threats of the future,” said George Selim, a senior Department of Homeland Security official who ran the task force before his retirement in summer 2017. “Am I frustrated? Yeah,” said Cohen, the former DHS senior official. “We know what the problem is, but every time there’s another one of these attacks all we hear is, ‘Oh, this is shocking, this is horrible, our prayers are with the people, who would have imagined this ever would have happened?’ I think that was the exact quote from the president—‘This was unimaginable.’ No, it’s very imaginable because it’s happening on a regular basis in this country. We’re just not doing enough to stop it.”


Could it be that there are other reasons not to pursue domestic right-wing terrorists?



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:48 PM
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I must confess I have not read his books but I have read about him and his motivations.

I think me and you would probably be able to talk about terrorism for hours over a few drinks to be honest. It’s always been a interest of mine, it’s a fascinating topic to research and study.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver



Are you admitting to trolling this whole time?



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver


Star for the anti-troll response.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: bastion

I must confess I have not read his books but I have read about him and his motivations.

I think me and you would probably be able to talk about terrorism for hours over a few drinks to be honest. It’s always been a interest of mine, it’s a fascinating topic to research and study.
And lie about



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Perhaps they aren't, but they are taking Islamic extremism seriously.

Had any of these plots succeeded, you might be singing a different tune. These plots, though failed, still represent a massive threat.

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11

This report, which observed terrorist plots from 9/11 to 2013, says there was 60 failed Islamic terrorist plots.

Report

Now imagine if they were focussing all their resources on far-right terrorism instead of what they have been focussing on for the past two decades.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver



Are you admitting to trolling this whole time?




Dude next time I hope we agree or at the very least you come at me with a better argument

Until then take care.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Woodcarver



Are you admitting to trolling this whole time?




Dude next time I hope we agree or at the very least you come at me with a better argument

Until then take care.


Troll level: presidential.
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posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:57 PM
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ounds glood pla, been involved in anti-rcism, fcism, war, wepons sales etc for decades - used to write for searchlight and best mate dud his masters on the rise of the far right.

It's a crazy phenomenon, books/guides get written, money/arms/traing from hostile nations gets involved,lots of inel gathering to avoud traps at counter protests, being friengly and showing the 95% sanazi/don't know ffrom Adam they're ane people were demoing against proof of the leaders/terror links and once the raliise I'm calling them a Nazi they quit the group once they see the evidene, how they're being manipulated.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: FilthyUSMonkey

Perhaps they aren't, but they are taking Islamic extremism seriously.

Had any of these plots succeeded, you might be singing a different tune. These plots, though failed, still represent a massive threat.

List of unsuccessful terrorist plots in the United States post-9/11

This report, which observed terrorist plots from 9/11 to 2013, says there was 60 failed Islamic terrorist plots.

Report

Now imagine if they were focussing all their resources on far-right terrorism instead of what they have been focussing on for the past two decades.


I completely agree agree with your assessment. But changes to recognize new threats are slow, especially at the federal level. The Fed poured tons of resources into the radical Islamic threat after 9/11. It paid off. But it looks like they missed some emerging domestic threats. Seems like they are getting around to it now.



posted on Jan, 14 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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Perhaps, yes.

But then again, just a cursory glance at the first few pages of the FBI's "Terrorism News" reveals an obvious pattern, and therefor a threat. Maybe their resources are in fact being spent correctly.



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