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originally posted by: TheHenchman
originally posted by: soundguy
The vast majority of Americans don’t want the wall. Sorry if your delusional thinking interferes with reality. I’m pretty sure after they left your company they had to use industrial strength mind bleach to get the stupid out. a reply to: Lumenari
Why do you think that? I dont think you're right but whatever.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I thin its pretty obvious: nancy and the democrats are simultaneously arguing for open borders, the right for illegals to vote, and the end of the electoral college. If the agenda isn't clear at this point - it never will be.
originally posted by: ltheghost
I just think it's a waste of money. Build a wall..then they build a tunnel. I have yet to hear or see someone go after the employers of illegals in the country. SOMEONE is paying them when they get here.
originally posted by: whargoul
originally posted by: Lumenari
I made this thread because I had to explain it to a liberal family member last night.
Moderates, Conservatives and some Democrats have pointed out lately the hypocrisy of Nancy, Check and Co. If they were all for wall and border security less than a decade ago, why the complete opposition now?
Some have taken the obvious reason... Orange Man bad and it's just political posturing.
Others have pointed out that Nancy (won the gavel by two votes... supposedly) feels that her position now will only continue be held if she becomes the face of #resist... So she can only retain power if she gives the President absolutely nothing.
Both points of view have their merit, however I believe that the real reason is a longer term goal the DNC is following.
To understand it, we have to at first take a historical look at California politics. A quick background...
LA Times Article
With the exception of the Goldwater race (a topic all its own and an excellent example of how the Democrats got VERY good at smearing a candidate), California was pretty pro-Republican since 1948.
After the Reagan Revolution, the DNC had pretty much given up on California.
Then came the Democrat's saving grace... immigration and the upswing of the Latino population.
California’s Latino and Asian populations boomed in the 1990s and the growing segment of voters were turned off by the Republican Party’s hard-line stance on immigration. After the party closely tied itself to Proposition 187, a controversial California ballot measure that denied public services to people in the country illegally, Republicans struggled to win back the state's immigrant population. Democratic candidates have won decisively in every election since 1992 by performing well in the most populous areas. Despite failing to win the presidency, Hillary Clinton won a higher percentage of votes than any candidate since Franklin D. Roosevelt.
So California, a state that once had a balanced budget and turned itself into a world-class economy, was turned through the Latino vote and lax immigration policy enforcement into a Progressive Utopia.
Illegal immigration was a component of this.
SoOo... the DNC has already conquered California and now has a blueprint of how to do it.
Now it is time for Texas.
If the DNC can take Texas and in doing so its electoral votes, they will have in essence taken control of the Electoral College.
So at this point, they NEED illegal immigration. Especially in Texas and Arizona.
The end game is very simple... ownership of a voter block that is the fastest growing part of American population right now.
I joke sometimes and use the term "undocumented Democratic voter" but it is true, statistically.
So when you point out (rightly) to other people the hypocrisy of the left in their stance on the wall right now, keep in mind that it has nothing to do with compassion towards immigrants or the "immorality" of a wall.
It is actually all about the DNC attempting to accrue enough power to become the only party that has a say in anything.
Democrats really could care less about who is getting paid or not right now, they could care less about crime rates, murders and drugs. Pelosi last I read was in Puerto Rico fund raising while Trump has been sitting at the White House, ready to make a deal.
This is why illegal immigrants are more important to them right now than American citizens.
It is also why when almost a million Federal employees (American citizens) are not getting paid right now, the percentage of our 21 million or so illegal immigrants on welfare will keep getting paid.
They are, after all, more important.
However, in closing let me add a quick video from someone who expresses better than I the fate of the Latino population under Democratic sponsorship...
Where is your wall with Canada? We see right through your crap. The administration wants to spend good money to keep it's base happy. The base doesn't like brown people.
We're not playing that game.