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originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Lumenari
Say WHAT? Your whole OP is about illegals voting. You then made an assertion that you were party to a felony without explaining that you turned them in. What exactly else should I have commented on?
originally posted by: Lumenari
Moderates, Conservatives and some Democrats have pointed out lately the hypocrisy of Nancy, Check and Co. If they were all for wall and border security less than a decade ago, why the complete opposition now?
Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to direct the Secretary to provide at least two layers of reinforced fencing, installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors extending: (1) from ten miles west of the Tecate, California, port of entry to ten miles east of the Tecate, California, port of entry; (2) from ten miles west of the Calexico, California, port of entry to five miles east of the Douglas, Arizona, port of entry (requiring installation of an interlocking surveillance camera system by May 30, 2007, and fence completion by May 30, 2008); (3) from five miles west of the Columbus, New Mexico, port of entry to ten miles east of El Paso, Texas;
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: seeker1963
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: Aallanon
IMO
Illegals are counted in the census. Fact.
The number of people in each state dictates the number of representatives. Fact
Sanctuary cities and states attract more Illegals. Fact
Therefore Illegals (and Dems) grow their sphere of influence. Fact
Illegals vote. IMO
If Illegals get the right to vote game over. Fact
My daughter's husband is Hispanic and the majority of his family is illegal. (San Antonio)
They are paid to be bussed to 4 different counties and vote with 4 different names and addresses each Presidential election. And interestingly enough, they got the gig again this midterm election as well.
Illegals vote. FACT.
You should get a hold of Judicial Watch and fill them in on the specifics of this voter fraud. If you have some meat they will call you on the phone to discuss the matter.
To reiterate, I turned them in to the Texas Secretary of State, a decade ago.
They don't care.
Did cost me my relationship with my daughter for a long time, though.
originally posted by: redmage
Moderates, Conservatives, and some Democrats were all for sections of wall and fencing, less than a decade ago, in areas that it made fiscal and practical sense to build. That's a far cry from the Pacific-to-Gulf wall being suggested today.
originally posted by: Lumenari
I made this thread because I had to explain it to a liberal family member last night.
Moderates, Conservatives and some Democrats have pointed out lately the hypocrisy of Nancy, Check and Co. If they were all for wall and border security less than a decade ago, why the complete opposition now?
Some have taken the obvious reason... Orange Man bad and it's just political posturing.
Others have pointed out that Nancy (won the gavel by two votes... supposedly) feels that her position now will only continue be held if she becomes the face of #resist... So she can only retain power if she gives the President absolutely nothing.
Both points of view have their merit, however I believe that the real reason is a longer term goal the DNC is following.
To understand it, we have to at first take a historical look at California politics. A quick background...
LA Times Article
With the exception of the Goldwater race (a topic all its own and an excellent example of how the Democrats got VERY good at smearing a candidate), California was pretty pro-Republican since 1948.
After the Reagan Revolution, the DNC had pretty much given up on California.
Then came the Democrat's saving grace... immigration and the upswing of the Latino population.
California’s Latino and Asian populations boomed in the 1990s and the growing segment of voters were turned off by the Republican Party’s hard-line stance on immigration. After the party closely tied itself to Proposition 187, a controversial California ballot measure that denied public services to people in the country illegally, Republicans struggled to win back the state's immigrant population. Democratic candidates have won decisively in every election since 1992 by performing well in the most populous areas. Despite failing to win the presidency, Hillary Clinton won a higher percentage of votes than any candidate since Franklin D. Roosevelt.
So California, a state that once had a balanced budget and turned itself into a world-class economy, was turned through the Latino vote and lax immigration policy enforcement into a Progressive Utopia.
Illegal immigration was a component of this.
SoOo... the DNC has already conquered California and now has a blueprint of how to do it.
Now it is time for Texas.
If the DNC can take Texas and in doing so its electoral votes, they will have in essence taken control of the Electoral College.
So at this point, they NEED illegal immigration. Especially in Texas and Arizona.
The end game is very simple... ownership of a voter block that is the fastest growing part of American population right now.
I joke sometimes and use the term "undocumented Democratic voter" but it is true, statistically.
So when you point out (rightly) to other people the hypocrisy of the left in their stance on the wall right now, keep in mind that it has nothing to do with compassion towards immigrants or the "immorality" of a wall.
It is actually all about the DNC attempting to accrue enough power to become the only party that has a say in anything.
Democrats really could care less about who is getting paid or not right now, they could care less about crime rates, murders and drugs. Pelosi last I read was in Puerto Rico fund raising while Trump has been sitting at the White House, ready to make a deal.
This is why illegal immigrants are more important to them right now than American citizens.
It is also why when almost a million Federal employees (American citizens) are not getting paid right now, the percentage of our 21 million or so illegal immigrants on welfare will keep getting paid.
They are, after all, more important.
originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: Lumenari
Your OP is certainly plausible and I agree with it.
But, is your OP not about illegal aliens being allowed to vote in Texas so that they take that state over as well as Cali? Did I miss something there?
originally posted by: redmage
originally posted by: Lumenari
Moderates, Conservatives and some Democrats have pointed out lately the hypocrisy of Nancy, Check and Co. If they were all for wall and border security less than a decade ago, why the complete opposition now?
I realize that this is the current talking point, but you do know that you're comparing apples to oranges... don't you?
Moderates, Conservatives, and some Democrats were all for sections of wall and fencing, less than a decade ago, in areas that it made fiscal and practical sense to build. That's a far cry from the Pacific-to-Gulf wall being suggested today. There are many areas along our southern border that the conditions and terrain make a wall unpractical and/or unnecessary, so starting or approving such a project would be a waste when other options like sensors, drones, or more border agents would be far more cost-efficient and effective.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: redmage
Moderates, Conservatives, and some Democrats were all for sections of wall and fencing, less than a decade ago, in areas that it made fiscal and practical sense to build. That's a far cry from the Pacific-to-Gulf wall being suggested today.
glad someone gets it
Where does it say, how do you know that ‘Moderates, Conservatives and ‘some’ Democrats were all for a wall a decade ago??
You are saying above that Nancy Pelosi can only retain power (I assume you mean the Speakership) if she gives #45 nothing.
1) The democratic party votes for the Speakership because the Democratic Party is in the majority of seats in the House of Representatives - and while I, and you perhaps, would have prefered another Democratic in the Speakership - maintaining that 'powerful' position next to nothing to do with the 'WALL'.
2) You appear to take the 'orange man bad' meme and turn it into a 'pelosi woman bad' meme. Do you not see how that generic meme is stating an ideological bias in either case? It has nothing to do with factual reality.
Please clarify your stated two point of view - and what about all the other points of view.
Now onto the California Bashing - which I assume is the point of this post. That we need a physical WALL between the US and Mexico.
Nice article tracing the ebb and flow of red vs blue in the state. Nothing on the wall or border security. Just an factual accounting of counties voting Republican or Democratic in any given presidential election year.
California’s Latino and Asian populations boomed in the 1990s and the growing segment of voters were turned off by the Republican Party’s hard-line stance on immigration. After the party closely tied itself to Proposition 187, a controversial California ballot measure that denied public services to people in the country illegally, Republicans struggled to win back the state's immigrant population. Democratic candidates have won decisively in every election since 1992 by performing well in the most populous areas. Despite failing to win the presidency, Hillary Clinton won a higher percentage of votes than any candidate since Franklin D. Roosevelt.
originally posted by: redmage
a reply to: Lumenari
Ok, so you don't understand what is being proposed, or that you're comparing apples to oranges.
Trump wants a wall across the southern border, not sections of wall in areas that it makes fiscal and practical sense (like what has been supported, passed, and built already). That's why, with a 2 year monopoly, rational republican lawmakers did not fund his pipe dream. They know that 5 billion is barely a down payment to break ground on his grand vision which will cost much MUCH more.
I agree, there's no reason to put a fence/wall at the bottom of that 200 foot high cliff near Laredo. There are many areas along our southern border that the conditions and terrain make a wall unpractical and/or unnecessary, but that is what Trump wants taxpayers to pay for, and what he's shut down government to get.
originally posted by: Lumenari
So please post to me this proposal of Trumps that calls for a Gulf-To-Pacific physical wall.
originally posted by: Lumenari
Not what I was referencing in my OP at all though... care to talk about that a little?
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: soundguy
The vast majority of Americans don’t want the wall. Sorry if your delusional thinking interferes with reality. I’m pretty sure after they left your company they had to use industrial strength mind bleach to get the stupid out. a reply to: Lumenari
The majority of liberals don't.
Sorry sweety... liberals such as yourself actually comprise about 25% of our country.
You just sound like a lot more because of all the RREEEEEEEE.
As for the rest of your post, if you are going to be insulting at least be good doing it.
I found it infantile and boring... no zingers there, no real meat, as it were.
So just more RRRREEEEEEEE.
Back to the lab for you...
And this time at least attempt to address the OP.
And edited to add.... you posted 6 minutes after I made the OP.
So you never made it past the title... no way you could have had your care provider read it for you and then post a response in that time.
originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: soundguy
You have a poll for your non-sense to cite?
Otherwise you better get some of that mind bleach to use on yourself.
Hells, the Dems helped approve 325 miles of fence in 2006...now all of a sudden dont want to fund 250? Yeah, OK.