101 ways Illegals get into the US beside the border

This is actually 101 ways people who don't want the wall can actually deflect from the fact that a wall would indeed be effective at stopping a percentage of illegal immigration and a percentage of the flow of drugs.

I am yet to hear anyone claim that the wall will be 100% effective at stopping all illegals or all drugs.

Perhaps it would be better to argue the case that the wall would stop such a small amount of illegal aliens and drugs, it is not worth the cost. I get that is an almost impossible argument, but it's the only valid debate.

So, if you think the cost vs benefit equation is not positive, let us know why. That would be interesting.

A CNN article missing the core debate is not interesting - it's deflection.

To say that the wall is not needed or will do no good and is a waste of money..... is no different than saying law enforcement should not have bullet proof vests because you can still shoot them in the head, arms and legs.

originally posted by: JBIZZ
Imo, the issue is not about how many people will still come in illegally. The issue is how can we deter people from coming in illegally & deter human trafficking. A border wall is just 1 deterrent. Drugs are lighter than people, so one can just use drones to bring any drugs they want in with minimal chance of getting caught. Some other deterrents would be to stop giving illegals welfare, as well as, stopping sanctuary cities form illegally allowing illegals to stay in these cities & taxing all personal (non-business) wire transfers sent to Latin America.

Actually not interfering in the democratic processes of other countries and allowing other latin countries self-determination so that they can live securely (their definition - not yours) in their own countries would stem undocumented immigration.

Most of the chaos in central American began when the US became the 'enforcement' arm of the United Fruit Company. Then the oil companies.

The US did this to itself.

Do you really think people want to come here if they had a viable choice for themselves and their families. Put yourself in their place. What would you do if you were them?

a reply to: UKTruth

If you don't want to read CNN,
read dozens and dozens of other sources saying the exact same thing:

www.azcentral.com...
Meth, coc aine, heroin: Most gets smuggled through ports of entry. A wall won't stop it.

www.wola.org...

www.philly.com...
How does heroin get to Philadelphia?
Heroin that lands here via Mexican drug-trafficking organizations is largely sent through legal entry points, according to a 2017 DEA report on the country’s drug supply.

www.bbc.com...
"[Now] well over 95% of the drugs are moving on the water via container ships, non-commercial vessels, pleasure boats, sail boats, fishing boats. They also have fast boats which try to outrun our law enforcement assets.

originally posted by: Zimnydran
To say that the wall is not needed or will do no good and is a waste of money..... is no different than saying law enforcement should not have bullet proof vests because you can still shoot them in the head, arms and legs.

I never said a wall is no good and won't be of use. I just think people are blowing it way out of proportion, especially when it comes to drugs and human trafficking aspect that has been played up as of late.

It is one thing if you say the wall will stop the type of people that normally just cross over, but to say that it will significantly halt human trafficking and the drug trade is naive at best.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JAGStorm

We can address each problem in sequence. First, the human trafficking and illegal crossings. The big caravans are not using "exotic" methods to sneak into America.

Trump also claimed that the "Southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs" and that it was necessary to "stop the criminal gangs, drug smugglers and human traffickers."
However, an NPR fact check found that according to the Drug Enforcement Administration, most illegal drugs come through legal ports of entry and only a small fraction comes through parts of the Southern border that would be impacted by a wall.

polarisproject.org...
In regards to human trafficking:
Myth: Human trafficking involves moving, traveling or transporting a person across state or national borders
Reality: Human trafficking is often confused with human smuggling, which involves illegal border crossings. In fact, the crime of human trafficking does not require any movement whatsoever. Survivors can be recruited and trafficked in their own home towns, even their own homes.

"Tightening Borders Will Stop Trafficking"
foreignpolicy.com...
Wrong. The trafficking issue is often used — some would say hijacked — to support policies limiting immigration. In fact, the recent global tightening of asylum admissions has increased trafficking by forcing many desperate people to turn to smugglers. In southeast Europe, a GTZ study found that more stringent border controls have led to an increase in trafficking, as people turned to third parties to smuggle them out of the country.

Saying "wall" is a tactical error, call it a fence and everything is kosher.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Why lock your front door when they can just break a window? Is this the approach you take to secure your home? Then why would you take this approach to protect your country?

I read that one earlier. Have you happened to catch the Netflix series narcos? It’s just a numbers game. They can’t search everything.

Even the libertarian think tank the Cato institute says the wall will not work.


www.cato.org...



a reply to: JAGStorm

the wall should be nothing more than a part of a web of security to improve the overall border security.

anything else is and most likely will be a failure by the fed.

originally posted by: soundguy
I read that one earlier. Have you happened to catch the Netflix series narcos? It’s just a numbers game. They can’t search everything.

Even the libertarian think tank the Cato institute says the wall will not work.


www.cato.org...

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yes I did watch Narcos and loved it.

A wall is not a "stand alone" defense, but it can play a useful role in a larger strategy.

"Coyote" or human smugglers, are constantly having to find new routes, because ICE figures it out sooner or later if you try to pull the same trick over and over.

The advantage of having a wall is that all you've got to do is drive along it every couple of days, and you can see if somebody has been trying to cut through it. Meaning that, when the coyotes discover a new overland route, it's only going to be good for about 1 or 2 runs.


That changes their business model. Makes their job more expensive.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
www.cnn.com...


The article states the many ways drugs get in.
Fishing boats, tunnels, lots of tunnels, vessels, trains, cars, shipping cargo, and of course a favorite good ol' airplanes, and a dozen other legal methods.

Just think, if you can smuggle drugs in using these methods, what makes people think you can't smuggle people in?

Most smuggling routes are only effective if you keep them secret.

If 5 guys know of a hole in the USA's security that they can use to get drugs through, they can keep that secret to themselves and make run after run.

The trouble with smuggling people through that route is then you're showing them your secret. Soon everyone knows about it and then it gets closed down. That's why "Coyote" is a very specialized kind of smuggler. Their skill set consists of constantly finding new routes again and again, because they know those routes won't last.

There is no perfect, complete solution but people seem to expect the barrier to be or it is useless.

I would like to think those people are just acting that way to build support against it but I have to believe many are just ignorant.

originally posted by: roadgravel
There is no perfect, complete solution but people seem to expect the barrier to be or it is useless.

I would like to think those people are just acting that way to build support against it but I have to believe many are just ignorant.

The barrier isn't useless, but people are not talking about the #1 problem with illegal immigration.

Rich people (both democrats and republicans) LOVE LOVE LOVE cheap illegal immigrant labor.
They love it.

There are numerous stories of politicians on both sides using illegal labor. They are doing nothing, and I mean nothing to punish those that pay for illegal labor.