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Instead of Working To End Our Govt Shutdown - Thirty Democrats Fly to Puerto Rico to Relax.

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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: strongfp


Didn't Trump just walk out of the last negotiations?

After Pelosi refused to even negotiate, yes.

TheRedneck




posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Re: www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Now I understand why a Capital Hill correspondent said, "They're not going to work on getting the government re-opened this weekend, Shep. Here it is 3pm on Thursday, and most of them have already flown out of town."



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

And what does Trump have to offer as an alternative to a wall? Which, has morphed into a 'metaphorical' wall since he realized a literal wall cannot be built. Which, the dems DID want when they ran with Hillary, they wanted to boost boarder security as well.



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: infolurker

Re: www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Now I understand why a Capital Hill correspondent said, "They're not going to work on getting the government re-opened this weekend, Shep. Here it is 3pm on Thursday, and most of them have already flown out of town."


Thanks Mitch McConnell!



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: strongfp

That goes both ways. They won't even discuss it, yet want him to just capitulate to them.



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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And what does Trump have to offer as an alternative to a wall?

The obvious alternative to a wall is no wall. No wall means no border security will be effective, in essence leaving miles and miles of open border between small sections surrounding Ports of Entry. How exactly is a drone going to help by taking pictures of someone running across a border when they can be across and gone into the US in 30 seconds, while the closest CBP agent is 15 minutes away?

The original idea of a concrete wall has undergone a concession from Trump to more of a fence using steel slats. What concession has Pelosi made?


Which, has morphed into a 'metaphorical' wall since he realized a literal wall cannot be built. Which, the dems DID want when they ran with Hillary, they wanted to boost boarder security as well.

Exactly! They wanted a physical barrier then, so why don't they want one now? Trump's request is for something like 20% of what they already wanted, he's changed the design to a fence (albeit a large, difficult to penetrate fence), and is still asking for negotiations. Pelosi apparently thinks negotiation means sitting there like a bump on a log saying "no" to every proposal and never offering one of her own.

Trump hypothetically proposed signing every bill the Democrats asked him to, with one simple request: take up the border wall (or fence if you prefer that term) within 30 days. Pelosi simply said "no."

The only way out of this will be for Trump to declare a National Emergency and use the military. That's a shame, since the jobs created during construction could have helped a lot of people along the border. That tells me Pelosi simply does not care one whit about Americans.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove


The original budget offer was for over $20 billion for southern border security and $1.6 billion for Trump's wall, research and development.

What is there to discuss? Trump doesn't have a wall design, doesn't have an environmental impact study to address wind and water/flood erosion or animal migration, a plan as to where it will go, doesn't have access to the private property that his plan will require and doesn't have the funding to build it....what it is up to now, $60 billion?



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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


Thanks Mitch McConnell!

At least you're putting blame where blame is due.

I agree, thank you Mitch McConnell, for showing us all exactly what the Democratic priorities are.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


LOL....
How? By hiding and refusing to bring any of their bills to reopen the government to the floor?
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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


Trump doesn't have a wall design, doesn't have an environmental impact study to address wind and water/flood erosion or animal migration, a plan as to where it will go, doesn't have access to the private property that his plan will require and doesn't have the funding to build it....what it is up to now, $60 billion?

You keep saying this, despite it being patently untrue and misleading...

Trump has a design for his border wall based on a steel slat design, as shown:


National Security trumps (pun intended) requirements for environmental impact studies.

It will go across the southern border with Mexico.

Funding is required before exerting Eminent Domain.

Funding is the issue.

The amount requested for 2019 has not changed: a little over $5 billion.

Now, do you think you can come up with a new argument at least?

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:18 AM
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By hiding and refusing to bring any of their bills to reopen the government to the floor?

Is McConnell having a fine old time in Puerto Rico?

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:22 AM
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Free bus ticket issued at Texas border crossing for destination of Oklahoma or Arkansas or points beyond.

It's a start.



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:26 AM
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Good for them, they need the rest after dealing with the liar in chief. Speaking of, what is the the worthless moron in the White House tweeting about today. We know he isn’t working. a reply to: carewemust



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: strongfp

That goes both ways. They won't even discuss it, yet want him to just capitulate to them.


This AP Fact Check took a lot of heat on Twitter, apparently, because it didn’t succumb to anti-trumpism.




HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI: “The fact is: President Trump has chosen to hold hostage critical services for the health, safety and well-being of the American people and withhold the paychecks of 800,000 innocent workers across the nation - many of them veterans.” — response to Trump’s remarks.

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, Senate Democratic leader: “The president of the United States - having failed to get Mexico to pay for his ineffective, unnecessary border wall, and unable to convince the Congress or the American people to foot the bill - has shut down the government.” — response to Trump.

THE FACTS: That’s one way to look at it. But it takes two sides to shut down the government. Trump’s demand for $5.7 billion for his border wall is one reason for the budget impasse. The refusal of Democrats to approve the money is another.


www.apnews.com...



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:30 AM
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Sorry, but that's a prototype. There has been no final decision on the design. That's the part Trump is willing to negotiate with the Dems on. He said, they can call it a fence, if they don't want a wall. He's willing to deal...when it comes to the design.

Then, there is still the concern of where, exactly, to put this wall. Where will the "doors" be? Bridges? Facilities? Access and maintenance? How does that wall/fence that's pictured, allow for animal migration? What about the private property that will be seized for this additional "wall", that still needs to be worked out?

Has the Trump Adminstration submitted a budget for how this $5.7 billion dollars will be spent? Or, is he just throwing a number out there? How will it be dispersed and who will be accountable for its dispersion?



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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: carewemust


Considering that Democrats place more value on the well-being of citizens in other countries


Who's the president of Puerto Rico?



Bhahahahahaha



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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Sorry, but that's a prototype.

A prototype comes before a design? That's news to me and I work with design and prototyping. For the last 40+ years I apparently have been doing things backwards, designing a prototype before I built it.

What you are seeing is a render of a design. Prototypes are actual physical structures.


There has been no final decision on the design. That's the part Trump is willing to negotiate with the Dems on. He said, they can call it a fence, if they don't want a wall. He's willing to deal...when it comes to the design.

So your complaint is that Trump has left room to negotiate? Or is your complaint that he shouldn't have left room to negotiate? I'm getting confused as to your position.


Then, there is still the concern of where, exactly, to put this wall.

The US-Mexico border, on the US side. That border is exactly defined... it's not just a geographic area.


Where will the "doors" be?

Ports of Entry.


Bridges?

At the roads.


Facilities?

We need restrooms now? It's not a mall. I'm sure they'll use Porta-Potties during construction.


Access and maintenance?

No real need... most of that border is desert. You just drive to it.


How does that wall/fence that's pictures, allow for animal migration?

It doesn't. Its purpose is to stop animal migration, the targeted animals being drug runners, human traffickers, etc.

I think the desert snakes can still get between the slats.


What about the private property that will be seized for this additional "wall", that still needs to be worked out.

The landowner will get a notice that their property is being seized for purposes of Eminent Domain, with an accompanying check for the value of the land. They'll have a short time to vacate the property, like 30 days or so (not real sure about the time here). The landowner can always sue for more money if they disagree with the valuation... that's what stays tied up in court; the government's right to seize the property is not in question.

The funding has to be in hand before the checks can be written. I thought that was obvious.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

the article I linked to is from a central NY news source...
it seems to indicate that there is a problem with human trafficking in upstate NY in the small rural border communities.
it's not just poor hispanics that are trafficked.. more than likely they are a small part. most are probably coming from european, middle eastern, and asian countries.

and well since it doesn't get the same attention as our southern border, we really don't have a good idea of just how bad that situation is.. could be much worse..

www.nytimes.com...

and, if you were a terrorist wanting to bring something into the country but wanted to evade our security at airports, would you fly into canada and try to get across that border, or mexico where you know all the attention is?
hey, if you're gonna build a wall, best do it on both borders!!!



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 12:05 PM
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Just a visual on how ridiculous 5.8 Billion dollars argument is. Almost could be a meme if it wasn't so sad the hypocrisy of the Progs. Face it, they want open borders. They have said it before in their wreckless rhetoric, so why not just be honest and admit it.

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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 12:12 PM
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It’s so entertaining watching rwnj’s lurching back and forth when it comes to personal rights, and states rights. On the bright side, if the wall were to get approved it would most certainly be trump voters getting the shaft, so it’s kind of a win win for lefty. Btw, is that prototype for the wall the one they sawed through like it was butter? I see that as being very effective, lol.. Its kind of ironic. It’s perfect, a defective monument for a defective and demented president.
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