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Trump has worked to conceal his communications with Putin from other government officials

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posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: BlackJackal

Once again you've made a thread that is strikingly similar to an Axios article that appeared an hour before your OP. Yes, I know it's based on a Wapo smear piece, but let's not beat around the bush.

This is the third time you've had this coincidence.

In fact, your OP is essentially the Axios article with an altered format. Hmm.

www.axios.com...

Ouch !!

Busted Plagiarism !!

😂



Maybe this is the axios marketing department hard at work. We bought in by clicking on the link. Oh no!! BlackJackal used the Trump-trap on us!




posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Starhooker
a reply to: pheonix358

Peace is considered bad if it's because of Trump. Thought you knew


Peace on Earth is bad for those who make money from the MIC. Thought you knew


P



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Meh more claims with little proof. Here's the thing from an outsider looking in: Until you show me real proof and I'm not talking about claims from other people but actual proof of Trump working for Russia, Russia sending messages to Trump then I'm not a believer in the Russia BS. Now if you said that Russia wanted Trump to win and went out of their way to make sure he won but Trump had no direct contact with Russia and instead Russia was working with Wikileaks then you have a case that I'm interested in but until there is actual direct proof that he and Russia were two peas in a pod, then nah I'm not biting.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 10:19 PM
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Sorry OP, I don’t believe a word of your post. Your sources are simply not credible. The amount of misleading information and outright lies from today’s news sources is an embarrassment to journalism.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 10:33 PM
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I think that correspondence with foriegn governments many times is classified and if it involves classified information should not be let out to anyone other than those who have the clearance. If something was going down in Syria, our government was informing the Russians, as per agreement, of the event beforehand so the Russians were not in the path of the bombing.

The thread is way off sensibility. Us knowing what is going on could jeopardize something, lots of things are kept from the public eye if they are classified at the time, even many in congress have not got that security clearance.

It was the same way under all presidents, if the Obama administration contacted Russia, that would never have been released.
edit on 12-1-2019 by rickymouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: liveandlearn

The zer0Bama is afraid his little secrets will be exposed !!! 😨



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal
It is being reported tonight that Trump has worked to hide all details of his communications with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the entirety of his presidency. He has gone so far as to confiscate notes of the meetings from his own interpreter and telling him not to discuss anything covered in the meeting with anyone.


President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trump’s actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.

.snip.


The defense from the Trump administration is that he is attempting to repair the relationship with Russia because Obama severely damaged it. According to Trump supporters the reason for the secrecy is that having aides present in these meetings will damage the rapport between Trump and Putin. However, there are other countries that Trump has accused Obama of damaging relations with that do not follow these same guidelines.

Former state department officials call this behavior extremely reckless and unprecedented.


Former U.S. officials said that Trump’s behavior is at odds with the known practices of previous presidents, who have relied on senior aides to witness meetings and take comprehensive notes then shared with other officials and departments.

Trump’s secrecy surrounding Putin “is not only unusual by historical standards, it is outrageous,” said Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state now at the Brookings Institution, who participated in more than a dozen meetings between President Bill Clinton and then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s. “It handicaps the U.S. government — the experts and advisers and Cabinet officers who are there to serve [the president] — and it certainly gives Putin much more scope to manipulate Trump.”


Democratic lawmakers have expressed their intention to launch an investigation to understand the substance of the 5 Trump/Putin meetings. Doing so is well within their oversight rights under the constitution.


Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview that his panel will form an investigative subcommittee whose targets will include seeking State Department records of Trump’s encounters with Putin, including a closed-door meeting with the Russian leader in Helsinki last summer.

“It’s been several months since Helsinki and we still don’t know what went on in that meeting,” Engel said. “It’s appalling. It just makes you want to scratch your head.”


If these secret meetings occurred within a vacuum it is likely that there would not be much fuss about them. However, since Trump has made many other Pro-Russian moves these secret meetings take on a whole different hue.


The concerns have been compounded by actions and positions Trump has taken as president that are seen as favorable to the Kremlin. He has dismissed Russia’s election interference as a “hoax,” suggested that Russia was entitled to annex Crimea, repeatedly attacked NATO allies, resisted efforts to impose sanctions on Moscow, and begun to pull U.S. forces out of Syria — a move that critics see as effectively ceding ground to Russia.

At the same time, Trump’s decision to fire Comey and other attempts to contain the ongoing Russia investigation led the bureau in May 2017 to launch a counterintelligence investigation into whether he was seeking to help Russia and if so, why, a step first reported by the New York Times.


In addition to those Trump has also repeated a Russian version of history for the invasion of Afghanistan. Trump claimed Russia invaded Afghanistan to combat terrorism but this is simply not true. Historians agree that Russia invaded Afghanistan to prop up a communist regime. The only people who try to sale it as a terrorism fight are the Russians. I wonder where Trump heard this:


“Russia used to be the Soviet Union. Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia. … The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is, it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt; they went into being called Russia again, as opposed to the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.”


At this point if you can't admit that there is something fishy going on between Trump and Putin, you need to reevaluate yourself.

[1] Trump has concealed details of his face-to-face encounters with Putin from senior officials in administration
[2] Trump’ s bizarre history lesson on the Soviet Union, Russia and Afghanistan
edit on Sat Jan 12 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed overly long quote and made PARAGRAPHS IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS


What pro Russian moves has Trump made?

List them.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
How are you supposed to talk about blackmail and money laundering if there are records of the conversations?


If only we had a president on tape telling the Russians he would have more "flexibility" after the election.

Oh wait.....
edit on 12-1-2019 by Carcharadon because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:08 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: liveandlearn

The zer0Bama is afraid his little secrets will be exposed !!! 😨


I thank you for taking the time to read Xue.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I think that correspondence with foriegn governments many times is classified and if it involves classified information should not be let out to anyone other than those who have the clearance. If something was going down in Syria, our government was informing the Russians, as per agreement, of the event beforehand so the Russians were not in the path of the bombing.

The thread is way off sensibility. Us knowing what is going on could jeopardize something, lots of things are kept from the public eye if they are classified at the time, even many in congress have not got that security clearance.

It was the same way under all presidents, if the Obama administration contacted Russia, that would never have been released.


It is more than just the classification, which the author of the OP is woefully ignorant about.

It is also your need to know.

We set up a telephone directly to Russia (USSR) at one time so that the two leaders could speak directly.

Same holds true now.

Nobody NEEDS to know what the sitting President is saying to ANY foreign government.

Period.

Once Black Jackhole has held an actual TS/SCI and spent some time in DC, I would maybe give it a listen.

Until then, it's just someone else's leftist opinion given an extra leftist spin.

So a RE-manufactured op-ed.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: UKTruth
a reply to: BlackJackal

Seems sensible to me.
The level of leaks and selective reporting to try and take down the administration would seem to warrant such security.
Looks like the media can't get information so the new angle is... "We can't get illegal leaks from our sources - there must be a conspiracy!"

Do you not ever get tired of beating a dead horse???


Of course, perfectly normal behavior. The president hides his conversations with the leader of the country he is accused of colluding with and only that country. Yep, perfectly reasonable.


Is that true or do you jut think that's true because the media hasn't told you different?



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:17 PM
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President Trump's only "crime" was winning an election while being a Republican.

Threatening to drain the entire political swamp doesn't hurt either if you really want to become a target...



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:17 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Good post BJ. Its almost time for Trump to resign or make a deal to resign or he's going to jail along with his son and son in law.

Trump is desperate and on his last leg. He's doing this shutdown hurting a million workers and the safety of the American people to distract from his crimes.

He's a disgrace and likely a traitor



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: BlackJackal



At this point if you can't admit that there is something fishy going on between Trump and Putin, you need to reevaluate yourself.

Haha, good stuff.

It's secret so it must be nefarious!

I love liberal logic, it keeps me laughing.


You didn’t read my post did you?

It’s not simply because it’s secret. It’s because it is unprecedented activity by the president that is only used for Russia. Then you add in all the pro Russian moves made by the Trump administration and all the other “smoke” such as the Trump tower meeting, Manafort giving polling data to Russia, etc. The list is extremely long and it all centers on Russia.

I mean it only took one guy saying “Hey, I think Obama wasn’t born in the USA” for you guys to buy into him not being an American citizen but even with all this evidence you say, “Nah, it’s all good”

Double standards?


First off, there really isn't a reason normally to read your extended version with your opinions inserted OP... you just read your title and YouTube search for the 20 seconds CNN or Voxx took to say it.

Secondly, you mean all the Pro-Russian moves he has made like more sanctions, helping Poland, getting Mercle to not buy Russian oil/Nat Gas and shoring up NATO... which has essentially turned Russia's economy off?

Those pro-putin actions?

Third, the people that brought up the birther thing was Hillary's campaign.

And when do intelligent people like yourself look at a political map and realize that the Ukraine and Russia are different in Manrfort's circumstances?

I was joking a little bit with the last paragraph... I will let you figure out which part.



The sanctions he is removing?

link

Also the guy that owns those companies he is lifting the sanctions on.... yeah, the same guy that Manafort was giving polling data to. Not Ukraine, Russia.



So you have one example vs about 20 that directly harm Russia and their economy?

Wow, real airtight case you're building there. The hilarious thing is that you leftists parrot this "benefitting Russia" narrative like its gospel but when pressed can never articulate your case or even provide the minimum of proof.

95% of the actions Trump has taken concerning Russia has directly or indirectly harmed Russia. Hardly the actions of a puppet.

But it is a nice little narrative you chuckleheads have going here.

If he does something that helps Russia, its proof of collusion or being a puppet.

If he does the opposite, well that's also proof somehow.

No matter what Trump does, its proof that Putin owns him. Do you not realize how insane that is?

If Trump bombed Moscow you lot would use THAT as proof of Russian collusion. Probably say it was to destroy records or something.

You guys are like the Birthers, anti-Vaxers and Flat Earthers all combined into one drooling pile of idiocy and insanity.

Except those 3 groups can actually articulate a coherent argument regardless if it is wrong or not.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Echo....echo....

"He is done. He won't win.", " He will get impeached", He will be jailed, he will......

You people are the absolute worst at Trump predictions.

I sometimes forget that you guys do these threads so you can "one of us" over the Trump hate.

Edit to add:
Zachary Basu is a tool. He is a ditz and a hack.

edit on 1 13 2019 by tadaman because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: BlackJackal

Once again you've made a thread that is strikingly similar to an Axios article that appeared an hour before your OP. Yes, I know it's based on a Wapo smear piece, but let's not beat around the bush.

This is the third time you've had this coincidence.

In fact, your OP is essentially the Axios article with an altered format. Hmm.

www.axios.com...


Hahahahahahahahaha!

Its official, BlackJackal is confirmed as an unoriginal shill. What a joke of a poster.

Next time you start a thread try and use an original thought.

Unbelievable.

Can't believe it would even try that tactic here.

I'll be skipping BJ's thread from here on out as the unoriginal, plagiarized garbage I always thought they were.

Hilarious.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal
It is being reported tonight that Trump has worked to hide all details of his communications with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the entirety of his presidency. He has gone so far as to confiscate notes of the meetings from his own interpreter and telling him not to discuss anything covered in the meeting with anyone.


President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trump’s actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.

.snip.


The defense from the Trump administration is that he is attempting to repair the relationship with Russia because Obama severely damaged it. According to Trump supporters the reason for the secrecy is that having aides present in these meetings will damage the rapport between Trump and Putin. However, there are other countries that Trump has accused Obama of damaging relations with that do not follow these same guidelines.

Former state department officials call this behavior extremely reckless and unprecedented.


Former U.S. officials said that Trump’s behavior is at odds with the known practices of previous presidents, who have relied on senior aides to witness meetings and take comprehensive notes then shared with other officials and departments.

Trump’s secrecy surrounding Putin “is not only unusual by historical standards, it is outrageous,” said Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state now at the Brookings Institution, who participated in more than a dozen meetings between President Bill Clinton and then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s. “It handicaps the U.S. government — the experts and advisers and Cabinet officers who are there to serve [the president] — and it certainly gives Putin much more scope to manipulate Trump.”


Democratic lawmakers have expressed their intention to launch an investigation to understand the substance of the 5 Trump/Putin meetings. Doing so is well within their oversight rights under the constitution.


Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview that his panel will form an investigative subcommittee whose targets will include seeking State Department records of Trump’s encounters with Putin, including a closed-door meeting with the Russian leader in Helsinki last summer.

“It’s been several months since Helsinki and we still don’t know what went on in that meeting,” Engel said. “It’s appalling. It just makes you want to scratch your head.”


If these secret meetings occurred within a vacuum it is likely that there would not be much fuss about them. However, since Trump has made many other Pro-Russian moves these secret meetings take on a whole different hue.


The concerns have been compounded by actions and positions Trump has taken as president that are seen as favorable to the Kremlin. He has dismissed Russia’s election interference as a “hoax,” suggested that Russia was entitled to annex Crimea, repeatedly attacked NATO allies, resisted efforts to impose sanctions on Moscow, and begun to pull U.S. forces out of Syria — a move that critics see as effectively ceding ground to Russia.

At the same time, Trump’s decision to fire Comey and other attempts to contain the ongoing Russia investigation led the bureau in May 2017 to launch a counterintelligence investigation into whether he was seeking to help Russia and if so, why, a step first reported by the New York Times.


In addition to those Trump has also repeated a Russian version of history for the invasion of Afghanistan. Trump claimed Russia invaded Afghanistan to combat terrorism but this is simply not true. Historians agree that Russia invaded Afghanistan to prop up a communist regime. The only people who try to sale it as a terrorism fight are the Russians. I wonder where Trump heard this:


“Russia used to be the Soviet Union. Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia. … The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is, it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt; they went into being called Russia again, as opposed to the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.”


At this point if you can't admit that there is something fishy going on between Trump and Putin, you need to reevaluate yourself.

[1] Trump has concealed details of his face-to-face encounters with Putin from senior officials in administration
[2] Trump’ s bizarre history lesson on the Soviet Union, Russia and Afghanistan
edit on Sat Jan 12 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed overly long quote and made PARAGRAPHS IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS

What are former US officials?
The referees for the harlem globetrotters?



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:27 PM
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Trump is not only a criminal but a traitor.


The concerns have been compounded by actions and positions Trump has taken as president that are seen as favorable to the Kremlin. He has dismissed Russia’s election interference as a “hoax,” suggested that Russia was entitled to annex Crimea, repeatedly attacked NATO allies, resisted efforts to impose sanctions on Moscow, and begun to pull U.S. forces out of Syria — a move that critics see as effectively ceding ground to Russia. At the same time, Trump’s decision to fire Comey and other attempts to contain the ongoing Russia investigation led the bureau in May 2017 to launch a counterintelligence investigation into whether he was seeking to help Russia and if so, why, a step first reported by the New York Times.


link



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: BlackJackal

Once again you've made a thread that is strikingly similar to an Axios article that appeared an hour before your OP. Yes, I know it's based on a Wapo smear piece, but let's not beat around the bush.

This is the third time you've had this coincidence.

In fact, your OP is essentially the Axios article with an altered format. Hmm.

www.axios.com...


Hahahahahahahahaha!

Its official, BlackJackal is confirmed as an unoriginal shill. What a joke of a poster.

Next time you start a thread try and use an original thought.

Unbelievable.

Can't believe it would even try that tactic here.

I'll be skipping BJ's thread from here on out as the unoriginal, plagiarized garbage I always thought they were.

Hilarious.

Good catch
Sadly he is nt the only hack here
Daily kos "writers" preview their schtick here.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

No we do the threads because Trump is a menace to the country and a menace to the world.


Just look at the shutdown, he’s deliberately destroying any thing in the country he gets his hands on as he is watching a million Americans suffer because of his inept stupidity that we come to find may be his orders from Putin.







 
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