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To be honest trump should just declare a national emergency and take the cash from the military budget.
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Unruhestifter
Democrats where in charge for 8 years and they did naff all.
Why didn't Trump get his funding when he controlled both houses ?
Because he probably didn't expect liberals to go nuts over something as simple as a wall.
He made the mistake of underestimating liberal stupidity and pettiness.
What is immoral is a President using public employees as a bargaining chip , working families are facing hardship because of his actions and his alone.
Why didn't Trump do this when he controlled both houses ?
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Unruhestifter
It only stops those that are weak and innocent. Ones who have nothing. The ones that truly need help.
The criminals have resources and are stronger so they find ways around it.
We should be helping those that need it .
This is much more about the politics of the wall than it is about the money.
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Unruhestifter
It only stops those that are weak and innocent. Ones who have nothing. The ones that truly need help.
The criminals have resources and are stronger so they find ways around it.
We should be helping those that need it .
originally posted by: Unruhestifter
Personally I don't think a wall will stop illegals. But meh 5 billions nothing for the USA, it probably spends that much on federal bog roll.
If it makes things more difficult for illegals, then I guess its a win.
However more of the progressives talking points is its "Immoral".
Its just a dammed wall. I have one around my yard. Most of you do to. Pelosi and most congressmen have walls around their mansions.
A wall doesn't kill anyone, it doesn't torture anyone. It just sits there.
How is that immoral?
It trump was proposing shooting immigrants at the border I would fully support the argument that it immoral. But a wall? No.
I tell you what is immoral progressives......starting a string of civil wars in the middle east, arming and supplying jihadi terrorist groups and undermining governments trying to fight those groups just screw Russia and thus causing a flood of refugees.......
To be honest trump should just declare a national emergency and take the cash from the military budget. Just means a few less bombs to drop on the middle east.
originally posted by: Unruhestifter
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: Unruhestifter
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
As I said 5 billion is nothing for the USA. Just give trump his 5 billion and move on to those other issues.
If you think this is a debate about $5bn then quite honestly I don’t think your fully grasping the situation. This is much more about the politics of the wall than it is about the money.
Trump was elected.
One of his promises was to build a wall.
Therefore building a wall is one of his mandates.
Unless its crime against humanity or something that is unachievable then a elected leader should be allowed to follow through on his mandate. Congress should only stop things if they are truly wrong or immoral (IE a crime against humanity), unconstitutional or would cause some sort of irreparable damage to the USA. None of those is the call with a wall.
How is it immoral for Trump to do it, but moral for Democrats to do it? I still haven't got an answer to that one.
At what point since January 2017 was there a majority of Republicans in the House and 60 or more Republicans in the Senate?