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reply posted on 20-4-2005 @ 05:20 PM by mercury19
That's a great question!! Again in this link www.bibleprobe.com... Peter the Roman the pope after this one will be the salvation of the church during perilious times and unite the world to the catholic religion and he moves from Rome to Europe walking on the bodies of the previous popes (meaning questionable?????) that was also predicted and identical to the 3rd secret of the Fatima prophesies. Of course the Catholic church agrees in this prophesy as their destiny. But self-fulfilled prophesies..I don't know..how true would that make them??? Just as true as pychic predictions of Green Lizards living under the earth I should think!!

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reply posted on 20-4-2005 @ 05:22 PM by mechanizd
Vienden, I think that you are absolutely correct. Because the prophecy may have been forced to occur does not dimish that fact that it was predicted to occur and all future events are based on that one force occurance.

It appears that Pope Benedicts brother is concerned about the pope health. It appears that he has health problems. Could this be the reason for the predicted short tenure?

Finally, how can we stated that this is the last pope......and Christ will return during his tenure. How can GOD not fullfil his own prophecy. Christ predicted that several events must take place prior to his return. Therefore, several things must be present before HIS return, the main one being the third Jewish temple that the anti-christ makes unholy.
If you believe that Chirst will return, then you have to believe the prophecies as stated in the bible. Therefore, if the Pope is to only have a short tenure as the Pope, then the third Jewish temple must already be in the building phase.
There cannot be a way for this pope to be the final pope unless all prophecy is fullfilled under his tenure....including and not limited to:

Completion of the 3rd Jewish Temple
7 year peace treaty
Rise of the Anti-christ
War against Israel by Gog and Magog
Fall on Wormwood from the sky
etc....

And he is only to serve as a pope for a short time.....I can't see that happening. Therefore, I believe that there will be one final pope to allow for all the pre-requisits to fulfillment of prophecy to occur.


reply posted on 20-4-2005 @ 06:53 PM by SingleMalt
Those interested in reading *all* of the St. Malachy prophecies and how the various popes fit the descriptions, here's a link to the book published by TAN in 1973 that is frequently mentioned. (Someone posted it online and I found it using Google.)

truecatholic.bizland.com...

It's a long read. Please note that the book was authored during the reign of Pope Paul VI, thus the author (Peter Bander) speculates about the men who would become John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and the "last" pope, Peter the Great.

Enjoy the read.

OH!!! Almost forgot!!! In the listing for Pope Leo XII, the author has this to say:

"Contrary to popular belief, the original manuscript of the Prophecies of Malachy has not been found in the Vatican Library. His Excellency Archbishop Cardinale instigated a thorough search for the manuscript at the Vatican. The sad fact is that there is no record of this manuscript being there or having been there."

Indeed, a very tantalizing bit of information tucked away in one of the descriptions.


reply posted on 20-4-2005 @ 07:32 PM by they see ALL
en.wikipedia.org...

Pope Benedict XVI (Gloria Olivae)

The next motto is Gloria Olivae, the glory of the olive. Prior to the papal conclave, this motto led to speculation that the next pontiff would be from the Order of Saint Benedict, whose symbols include the olive branch. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, selected in April 2005, is not a Benedictine, but did pick Benedict XVI as his papal name, which might be regarded as a fulfillment of this prophecy.

Yet there can also be a different meaning. Pope Benedict had his birthday on the 16th April and on that day is celebrated the feast of Saint Benedict Joseph Labrè (26 March 1748 - 16 April 1783), also known as the Holy Pilgrim. His first name was already Joseph and together with Benedict, which he has now assumed, his Christian namesake is now complete. Moreover, the Order of St Benedict is also known as that of the Olivetans.

Alternatively, less specific interpreters have predicted that the next pope will promote world peace (as in an olive branch). Pope Benedict XVI has chosen "Pax" (peace) as his papal motto. The self-proclaimed Pope Clemente Domínguez y Gómez of the Palmarian Catholic Church claimed that he was the glory of the olive.

There had already been, before the election of pope, a concomitance in two unrelated events occurring on the opening date of the 2005 Conclaves. First, a Turkish presidential candidate won overnight the northern Cyprus elections favouring re-unification peace talks of the two sectors; the Cyprus flag has two inter-locking olive branches in it. Secondly, the Italian Prime Minister has seriously been considering resigning and holding early general elections succumbing to pressure from the leftist opposition called l'Ulivo.


ENJOY!!!





reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 03:53 PM by d60944
Don't forget the "third secret of Fatima" (a message revealed by a set of miraculous vision of the Virgin to some Portuguese children in the early C20th) and written down in 1944). Kept secret for decades and then published in 2000 it appears to speak of a destructive attack upon the Holy See (Church government):

J.M.J.

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944

Full text of publication and analysis

The "official" interpretation (that the message refers to the attempted shooting of John Paul II) was ironically provided by the current Pope, as the then Cardinal Ratzinger. Well, ironic if the more obvious interpretation comes to be true in the light of current events.
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