The olive is the traditional symbol of the jews. There are several ex jews who are now highly placed in the catholic church. I remember, when I was young, hearing a news stroy about how the arch bishop of Paris(?) was 'in trouble' because he was of jewsih ancestory. His parents were agnostic jews, and he convert to Catholicism at 14. He went on to become a priest and eventually a bishop. At that time he was up for Cardinal, and that's why the contraversy began brewing.

So the next Pope will be a "jew".

Originally posted by Agent Orange
The olive is the traditional symbol of the jews. There are several ex jews who are now highly placed in the catholic church. I remember, when I was young, hearing a news stroy about how the arch bishop of Paris(?) was 'in trouble' because he was of jewsih ancestory. His parents were agnostic jews, and he convert to Catholicism at 14. He went on to become a priest and eventually a bishop. At that time he was up for Cardinal, and that's why the contraversy began brewing.

So the next Pope will be a "jew".

Maybe and then maybe he'll be assassinated and then there will be one more pope and then the end of the world in 2012...hmm antichrist is the last pope?

I don't think the Catholics will have an active role in the ascension of the anti-christ. I htink he'll come from an eastern religion like Buhdism, or the like. As far as the Pope Prophesy, it is a very interesting thing, however, my question has always been (in order for it to work with the Mayan calender) are the next two Popes to rule before Armeggedon, is Armeggedon to begin in 2012 with the ascension of the final Pope, or is 2012 the begining of the apocolypse that will lead to the unification of all major religions through a need to control the populace after major earth changing events, thus dispensing with the need of a Pope considering that the Catholic church will no longer be formadable?

Am I making sense?

yeah, i really dont see a Christian Pope being the Anti-Christ as it really doesn't make much sense as they are still preaching the word of Christ, no matter how diluted it may be. I believe the Anti-Christ will run the UN

The predictions of St. Malachy (also Malachi) were actually fabricated almost 600 years later by a Belgian monk named Arnold de Wion (also de Wyon). However, in-line with the current discussion are the visions of Garabandal. These visions say there will be a 'warning' and a 'miracle' (two separate events) in 'the same year (calendar year or 12mo span isn't clear). The visions occurred in the 1961-1965 time span and one vision revealed that there would be three Popes from the then current one. That makes John Paul the 3rd Pope. So, if the visions are authentic something is very close to happening. Further, the 'miracle' will occur between the months of March and May. If the 'end of the age' is to occur in 2012 and there are 7 years of tribulation prior... do the math.

In fact the Mayan Calendar, the Hopi Prophecies, and Saint Malachi all seem to coincide for about 2012.

Mayan calendar is just the end of their "long count."

Hopi prophecies are a fairly new thing. They're not an Incredibly Ancient Prophecy.

Malachi is probably a bit of fraud by the priest who "discovered" it in the 1500's. The "predictions" for the popes are remarkably accurate before 1600. After 1600, they are remarkably vague. If they were real, then ALL the prophecies would be detailed and accurate. They are not.

Originally posted by Byrd
Mayan calendar is just the end of their "long count."

Hopi prophecies are a fairly new thing. They're not an Incredibly Ancient Prophecy.

Malachi is probably a bit of fraud by the priest who "discovered" it in the 1500's. The "predictions" for the popes are remarkably accurate before 1600. After 1600, they are remarkably vague. If they were real, then ALL the prophecies would be detailed and accurate. They are not.

AS for St Malachi, his "De medietate Lunae" for John Paul 1 was on the mark.

Originally posted by Agent Orange
The correspondence between the prophecies of Saint Malachi and the Mayan Calendar are alarming[...]It look's like we may have a new pope with in the year [...]This seems to correspond very well with the Mayan Calendar, whose 'long count' ends in 2012.

Why is this non correspondance alarming?

The olive is the traditional symbol of the jews

I am not familiar with this.

Also, and perhaps this is ignorance on my part, does malachy actually say that after the last pope that the biblical apocalypse occurs?

jtma508
the 'miracle' will occur between the months of March and May

So then the 'message' would have to occur very, very shortly no? Especially since the pope's health seems to have taken a terrible downtick.

[edit on 22-3-2005 by Nygdan]

112 Popes to Doomsday.... John is only 110

According to St Malachy. Pope JP2, "The world traveler" is Pope no # 110. After his passing will come two more Popes: POPE 111 = "Olive's Glory" and Pope 112 = "Peter The Roman".

to renew or begin something again means something has to end

Originally posted by Agent Orange
The olive is the traditional symbol of the jews. There are several ex jews who are now highly placed in the catholic church. I remember, when I was young, hearing a news stroy about how the arch bishop of Paris(?) was 'in trouble' because he was of jewsih ancestory. His parents were agnostic jews, and he convert to Catholicism at 14. He went on to become a priest and eventually a bishop. At that time he was up for Cardinal, and that's why the contraversy began brewing.

So the next Pope will be a "jew".

I am sorry to point out that you can't be a jewish catholic. They are both belief systems and not a race of people. You are only confusing the issue by saying he is jew when his belief is catholic.

Originally posted by IComeWithASword

Originally posted by Agent Orange
The olive is the traditional symbol of the jews. There are several ex jews who are now highly placed in the catholic church. I remember, when I was young, hearing a news stroy about how the arch bishop of Paris(?) was 'in trouble' because he was of jewsih ancestory. His parents were agnostic jews, and he convert to Catholicism at 14. He went on to become a priest and eventually a bishop. At that time he was up for Cardinal, and that's why the contraversy began brewing.

So the next Pope will be a "jew".

I am sorry to point out that you can't be a jewish catholic. They are both belief systems and not a race of people. You are only confusing the issue by saying he is jew when his belief is catholic.

The Catholic Church used to have the same issue. I remember that one of the past Archbishop's ni France ran into some friction because he was a 'jew'. He had been born to jewish parents, raised atheist, and converted to catholicsm at 14. At the time he became archbishop, some question was being raised as to whether he could hold the office.

As to renewal, or regeneration, needing some thing to end, if something is 'regenerated', then it isn't replaced by something else. You're body replaces it's cellular structure every 7 years. So you're like the old story about George Washington's ax, the handle had been replaced 5 times, and the blade 3, but it was still the same ax.