originally posted by: [post=24104737]TheRedneck
Do you not realize how you have had to change your argument from your last post to this post? Your last post argued that Trump made "multiple"
proposals and Nancy shot them all down.
However now, you are attempting to alter your argument to say that one proposal, which was actually an ultimatum, fits your original argument.
Seriously, is your moral fabric so flimsy that you will do or say anything just to avoid having to admit that you were wrong? You straight up lied
and said the following:
The characterization I heard reported was that every time Trump made a proposal, Pelosi opposed it.
I asked you to provide those reports you heard, and your response was to instead attempt to look smug. If there is a report that characterizes it in
the way you state provide it. If it doesn't exist do you realize that you really are morally bankrupt. You are willing to make up falsehoods just so
you can defend Trump. That right there should be enlightening but I doubt you have the capacity to understand it.
Trump is the president, I have never claimed otherwise. I do not believe he is fit to be president but that is another discussion. However, Nancy
Pelosi is the Speaker of the House and she does NOT have to do what the President tells her to do. If you remember George W Bush made Social Security
reform one of his campaign promises. When he wanted to get Social Security reform passed by Congress he was not able to get it through. The Speaker
of the House told him to go pound sand. I'm sure you're thinking "Those Democrats were just being obstructionists just like now", but guess what?
The Speaker of the House who told Bush no was Dennis Hastert - Republican.
You need to wake up! You see there is this framework that the founders of this country put in place called "Seperation of Power” which based on
your past posts you obviously have no clue how it works. You see, the president has power but so does the House, the Senate and the judiciary.
Apparently, you want to live in a kingdom where the top executive can just tell everyone what to do. You see, the president can’t just tell the
legislature what to do, that is not how it works. If that is really what you want there is still a few of those around if you want to move.
Also, you never once have addressed the fact that Trump told Congress prior to Christmas that he was ok with the spending bill without any money for
the wall. Then after both branches of Congress voted overwhelmingly bipartisanly to approve said spending bill and many members of Congress had
already left for their home districts Trump decides he wants money for the wall (has nothing at all to do with Rush and Ann Coulter calling Trump our
on Twitter, nope none at all). So Trump shuts down the government and does the exact opposite of what he said he would do just days earlier.
"I'll tell you what, I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck," Trump told the top Senate Democrat. "So, I will take the
mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."
But after the government actually shut down Trump decides to try and weasel his way out of his own words. Now he claims it's the Democrats who shut
down the government and the majority of America isn't buying it. The only people buying that this shutdown is because of Democrats are people like
yourself who will believe anything that comes out of Trumps mouth.
The man is a pathological liar and horrendous leader. Yes, he was elected president but that does not mean he is necessaryly a good leader. Whenever
anyone describes the traits of a good leader these three words are almost ubiquitous: honesty, integrity, and accountability. If anything Trump is
the opposite of those three traits. He is a documented pathological liar. By examining his actions at his charity it is easy to see he has no
integrity because instead of being a good Steward of the money donated to his charity he instead used it as a personal piggy bank. And lastly, the
way he is handling the government shutdown is a great example of how Trump deals with accountability. He believes he is never at fault, it is always
someone else's fault. I forget the original author of this quote but it is extremely poignant in this situation:
A good leader takes little more than his share of the blame and little less than his share of the credit
So Trump is a horrible leader but the economy is good right? Yes it is good, for now. Economies take time to either ramp up or ramp down. There are
very few actions that a President can take to make immediate changes to the economy. Most policies or actions take months or years before their
effects are even felt.
When Trump took office he inherited an economy that was in great shape. It had been recovering for about 5 years thanks to the policies put in place
by *gasp* Obama. The 2008 recession was the product of many things but one of the major contributors was the 1994 Clinton policy of allowing
unregulated mortgages be issued to individuals with sub prime credit. This led to mortgage companies creating mortgages that were great for their
bottom line but bad for consumers. That policy took 14 years for its full effects were felt on the economy. In the same way, there is very little
Trump could do since taking office that would mean he is responsible for all the activity in the economy now. His deregulation and tax cut were like
injecting nitrous into an already well running engine.
However, the long term effects are not yet known. Speaking of long term effects his trade war has not yet affected the economy but you can expect to
start seeing results in a few more months. He is being far too disruptive and markets don’t like that. In the long run I guarantee that Trump will
prove to be a negative to our economy.
 [url=https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/11/politics/trump-pelosi-schumer-meeting-shutdown/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F]Trump defends
shutdown threat after clashing with Pelosi, Schumer
edit on 16-1-2019 by BlackJackal because: (no reason given)