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Trump walked in and said “Are you going to give me my walk?”
Pelosi says “No”
Trump throughs a temper tantrum and walks out.
He didn’t say anything like “What will it take for you to give me the wall?” Or “How about we do x or y and bundle the wall in with that?” Nope, just like a toddler that doesn’t get the toy that he wants throwing a fit in Wal-Mart. So much for the deal master....
Hmmmm. Slavery was legal when the constitution was originally written I suppose we should reinstate that. Or what about banning women from voting? Or a host of other things.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: BlackJackal
Trump walked in and said “Are you going to give me my walk?”
Pelosi says “No”
Trump throughs a temper tantrum and walks out.
He didn’t say anything like “What will it take for you to give me the wall?” Or “How about we do x or y and bundle the wall in with that?” Nope, just like a toddler that doesn’t get the toy that he wants throwing a fit in Wal-Mart. So much for the deal master....
Nice fiction. You should write novels.
The exact words used are not known, unless you were in that meeting. The characterization I heard reported was that every time Trump made a proposal, Pelosi opposed it. So when he finally mentioned agreeing with Pelosi's demand on just the condition they negotiate in good faith about the wall, she still said "no." So Trump walked out. I would have too. Schumer and Pelosi are acting like children holding their breath until they get their way.
Someone else mentioned earlier that until 2016, "negotiation" and "compromise" in Washington DC meant "Republicans give Democrats everything they want and ask them not to be mean." That's pretty much true. I for one am glad to see it stopped. If it hurts Cryin' Chuck and Nothin' Nancy, so bad, too sad. The godhead worship of these two insufferable idiots and their mindless minions in crime has gone on for far too long. It's no wonder we were becoming the laughingstock of nations and the biggest pushover on the planet... our "leaders" couldn't lead their way out of the broad end of a funnel with GPS!
TheRedneck
Speaking to reporters after the brief session, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said the “president just got up and walked out."
“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.
The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.
“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.
"I just listened to Senator Schumer,” McCarthy, a California Republican, said. “I know he complained the time that you had cameras in the meeting. I think we need to bring them back. Because what he described the meeting to be is totally different than what took place."
originally posted by: carewemust
The few Government employees I've know will start receiving "Late Payment" calls for their credit cards and car payments, almost immediately.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Lumenari
Odd.. I had thought that Democrats just had to approve 1/3 less of the same money on a bill they voted into law last time to get the money flowing again.
I seem to recall that Trump said he took responsibility for the shutdown... I believe he even tweeted it.
I love how this president has brought out the true dirty character of the people who support Trump. You are a liar just like he is. No where was it reported that Trump offered up proposal after proposal and Pelosi shot it down. To the contrary Trump himself seemed to confirm the Democrats version of events with the only objection being that he didn't slam his hands down. Here is Fox News take on the meeting.
“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier?
Nancy said, NO.
I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Lumenari
Odd.. I had thought that Democrats just had to approve 1/3 less of the same money on a bill they voted into law last time to get the money flowing again.
I seem to recall that Trump said he took responsibility for the shutdown... I believe he even tweeted it.
originally posted by: BlackJackal
originally posted by: Byrd
originally posted by: Lumenari
Odd.. I had thought that Democrats just had to approve 1/3 less of the same money on a bill they voted into law last time to get the money flowing again.
I seem to recall that Trump said he took responsibility for the shutdown... I believe he even tweeted it.
He did. But since that doesn’t currently fit the reality Trump says is the real one he and his followers (about 25% of the least educated Americans) literally don’t believe it happened. They find out what they believe daily from Trumps twitter. If it happened over 5 minutes ago it is only true if Trump tells them its true.
These people are imbeciles.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Wayfarer
What you're saying is, if the those gosh darn Democrats just completely capitulate and give Trump everything he wants, then this whole thing would just end, its really just so shuckey duckey simple!
Well, it's only fair.
What you're saying is, if Trump and those gosh darn Republicans just completely capitulate and give the Democrats everything they want, then this whole thing would just end, its really just so shuckey duckey simple!
TheRedneck
Praytell why Trump didn't take care of this when he had control of the legislature the past 2 years?
Why is it incumbent upon Democrats to fulfill Trump's mandates (when for the most part they were just recently elected as a rebuttal to Trump's mandates)?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Wayfarer
Praytell why Trump didn't take care of this when he had control of the legislature the past 2 years?
Because the Senate requires 60 votes for cloture. Praytell why is that such a hard thing to understand? It's been stated on here at least a thousand times by now.
It's not going to change the next time someone asks that question, either.
Why is it incumbent upon Democrats to fulfill Trump's mandates (when for the most part they were just recently elected as a rebuttal to Trump's mandates)?
It is incumbent upon all elected seats to negotiate with each other to get the nation's business done. It's in the job description.
You make quite the assumption on the "rebuttal of the mandate" statement. Traditionally, the midterm election after a Presidential change is much more of a rebuttal than this one was. The Republicans actually gained Senate seats, remember?
Another statement that has been made a thousand times and won't change the next time it's asked...
TheRedneck
But Trump had the nuclear option at his disposal then just as he does now. If he couldn't convince a handful of democrats to support his wall when he only needed a handful why wait for the house to flip before trying in earnest to get wall funding? What reason would he have not to pull the 'nuclear' option then rather than now?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Wayfarer
But Trump had the nuclear option at his disposal then just as he does now. If he couldn't convince a handful of democrats to support his wall when he only needed a handful why wait for the house to flip before trying in earnest to get wall funding? What reason would he have not to pull the 'nuclear' option then rather than now?
I am personally glad they haven't used the 'nuclear option.' It serves as a check against runaway government, or at least it would if Senators would stop voting purely on party lines.
One point of order: Trump does not have the 'nuclear option' at his disposal... McConnell does. Trump is not a member of the Senate.
TheRedneck
Sorry I should have clarified rather than nuclear option as it relates to the Senate, I meant to reference Trumps ability to declare a national emergency and accomplish his wall goals through military funding.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Wayfarer
Sorry I should have clarified rather than nuclear option as it relates to the Senate, I meant to reference Trumps ability to declare a national emergency and accomplish his wall goals through military funding.
Well, you tell me which would be better for the economy? Use the military, or pay contractors who hire people to do the construction and then spend that money on things they need/want?
A National Emergency is not the best way to accomplish the goal. But it might be the only way now, thanks to Pelosi.
TheRedneck