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Kamala Harris Says She’s Open To Ocasio-Cortez’s Socialist Agenda

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posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: xuenchen


Ultimately, the voters are going to have a referendum on whether or not we embrace capitalism or communism.

It's going to come down to those two choices.

While one can disagree with these policies, Democratic socialism isn’t communism, unless one thinks it’s a tip toe towards it.
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posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: xuenchen


Ultimately, the voters are going to have a referendum on whether or not we embrace capitalism or communism.

It's going to come down to those two choices.

While one can disagree with these policies, Democratic socialism isn’t communism, unless on thinks it’s a tip toe towards it.


The problem I have with it is that it still demands people give up their liberties, no matter how "democratic" it claims to be.

Picture 5 guys who get together to play games once a week. They all need to eat, so one night, they all vote to pool their money to buy a large pizza. Three of the guys love pepperoni and mushrooms, one guy is just happy to eat because he's not doing so well, and this is more than he could afford on his own, but while the last guy likes pizza, he really likes pineapple and ham and isn't fond of mushrooms. He agrees to pepperoni and mushrooms this time on the idea that they won't always get either pizza or that topping combo.

But as time goes on, it's clear that the other four have no interest in changing the arrangement once it has been established. This goes on for a while until the last guy finally brings enough money for himself to order something different and announces he wants Chinese, but the other guys are free to order their customary pizza.

Here's where the problems begin with democratic socialism.

The three guys tell him they only brought enough to pay for their share of the pizza, and the last guy doesn't have enough to pay for more than a share of a pizza. If the fifth guy doesn't chip into the pizza none of them will eat that night. But if he chips into the pizza, he won't get to eat Chinese like he planned, and they'll order another pepperoni mushroom which he doesn't like at all, so once again, he'll be stuck with pizza he really doesn't like that's inadequate to his needs.

In democratic socialism, he's forced to pay in and told if he wants Chinese, that's fine, but he can only have it *if* he pays for his share of pizza too. So he's paying extra for programs he really doesn't want, can't use, or the system tells him he doesn't qualify for, and he can only have the things that really suit him *if* he has money left over after being forced to chip in for everyone else's stuff to address his real needs.

The three guys who like pepperoni mushroom are just the majority who settle for the easy route and never really aspire to anything other than what everyone else has. They like voting into everyone else's pocket, but they really don't need that to get by or live their own lives.

And the last guy is the only one who actually needs the help. He's the one a social safety net ought to actually help, and he's an actual minority, but used as a shield whenever we talk about how these programs are needed to save the easy life the three above have created for themselves.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

somebody better call Harvey Wippleman



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:05 AM
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Socialism- a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Communism - a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

I do not see either of these isms being prevalent in OAC"s proposal.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
They're all crawling out of the woodwork now that new Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is pushing Socialist agendas.

So we have popular U.S. Senator Kamala Harris on TV saying she is with it !!

Democrats going totally out of control now that they rampaged over the U.S. House of Representatives !!

Well let's show our support for losing our own freedoms shall we 😀🚬

Kamala is running for President in 2020 (in the U.S. not Cuba) 😆



Kamala Harris Says She’s Open To Ocasio-Cortez’s Socialist Agenda

Call it the Ocasio-Cortez Effect! Just two days after the freshman congresswoman announced on “60 Minutes” that Democrats should soak the rich with a 70 percent marginal tax rate, presidential hopeful Sen. Kamala Harris said on “The View” that she is open to it. Drawing on her experience as a teacher, Harris commended Ocasio-Cortez for “challenging the status quo,” and promised to “explore new ideas.”



I don't see how healthcare for all is "losing our freedoms", sorry.

I don't see how education for all is "losing our freedoms".



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: xuenchen
They're all crawling out of the woodwork now that new Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is pushing Socialist agendas.

So we have popular U.S. Senator Kamala Harris on TV saying she is with it !!

Democrats going totally out of control now that they rampaged over the U.S. House of Representatives !!

Well let's show our support for losing our own freedoms shall we 😀🚬

Kamala is running for President in 2020 (in the U.S. not Cuba) 😆



Kamala Harris Says She’s Open To Ocasio-Cortez’s Socialist Agenda

Call it the Ocasio-Cortez Effect! Just two days after the freshman congresswoman announced on “60 Minutes” that Democrats should soak the rich with a 70 percent marginal tax rate, presidential hopeful Sen. Kamala Harris said on “The View” that she is open to it. Drawing on her experience as a teacher, Harris commended Ocasio-Cortez for “challenging the status quo,” and promised to “explore new ideas.”



I don't see how healthcare for all is "losing our freedoms", sorry.

I don't see how education for all is "losing our freedoms".


I also do not think having police and fire forces is losing our freedom either.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: Salander

See my post above about pizza.

The more you take from everyone to pay for programs that not everyone needs, wants, or can use, the less we have left over to pay for the actual things we do need, want, and can use.

Let's take my own personal, real life example. I have a son with dysgraphia; it impacts his ability to do handwriting and to understand syntax and grammar, also makes a hash of his spelling. On the flip side, he is extremely bright -- in the gray area between merely average and gifted (mildly gifted by some measures). There are specialized private schools, one in our very city, that can address his disability while serving his academic needs, but the tuition at most of these places is no less than $20K per year.

Public schools mean well (and that's me being generous), but they are not geared to really address the needs of children like mine. And they're a failing system overrun with students of so many different educational aptitudes and levels of readiness that they'll happily let mine slide by in mediocre fashion and not really address his needs to where he can excel because that's the best they can do.

And yet, the state spends upwards of $10,000 or more per year into that inadequate system on my son and others like him, and I am beholden to pay for that out of my taxes! It's socialism. That money could go toward at least half the tuition at that private school I mentioned where they specifically address kids like mine, and if I had that money in hand to take him there? My husband and I could come up with the rest ... but it doesn't happen because we're told it's not fair.

So my kid suffers. I lose the freedom to do what is best for my child. Socialism wins again.
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posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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I don't understand why some feel the need to obligate me to pay for their education, for their healthcare.

My freedom to opt out, to choose another path is removed by a government who has deemed itself wiser than myself to do with the money that I earn.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Democrats won't do well for a long time. They have revenge and contempt. That is all.

Oh and no it won't end well for them if they try to just take power by any means necessary



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: pexx421

Scared, No we just have seen enough to know better. Squandered away nothing. You just want what we worked for without working.




posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 10:49 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




I don't understand why some feel the need to obligate me to pay for their education, for their healthcare.


Short answer is because their lazy, and don't want to grow up.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

1. No, its the She is not a socialists argument

2. I am not a socialist, or a Communists, as an anarchists all system including economics are my enemy

3. socialisms as described in theory has never been tried, because it always retains the state and Government, socialism was the transition between capitalism and communism, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" workers self-management of the means of production, and social ownership (either public, collective or cooperative)

socialism is not some light-capitalism attempting to pander to the "Radical Democrats" which is what DemSocs are Bernie was and Ocasio-Cortez is, socialism is not higher taxes but the move towards the destruction of a monetary system, socialism is not dependency on the government

and again I don't even support socialism...



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Lets not forget, there's a very real possibility that if Harris runs..........she'll win!



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: tadaman

Yea, except they have California, Oregon, Washington State, Vermont, New York, New Hampshire.............the list goes on! And they have the voters who voted for Clinton..........who won the popular vote.

Guess that says "revenge and contempt" sells!



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX

You are talking about Gandhi style socialism. That also failed and is likely the reason India is only now emerging into developing toward first world status.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

No, No I am not actually



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX




as an anarchists all system including economics are my enemy


This is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read.

'Economics' is the study of how societies use, distribute, and manage resources and consumable good.

You're an enemy for a form of science. Neat.





socialism is not dependency on the government


Google Dictionary:
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Yeah...The "community" is the government that everyone agrees has to be formed in order to do the things socialists say socialism can do.
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posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 02:47 PM
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Then why didn't Iceland save the banks but preserved the social systems instead? Oh wait! You're just full of it!


Iceland rightly went after the banks because the banks STOLE from them. Several of their politicians went to jail too.

Capitalism is alive and well in Iceland.

Regulation is not the same thing as socialism.




Whatever you say, doctor socialism with the fine globules and no bias whasoever!


I am allowed my bias and I do not hide it. We are not isolated systems and I am not required to be objective about everything. That said, data shows that socialism has failed several times, is failing now, and will continue to fail.
edit on 11 1 19 by projectvxn because: First line was an accidental copy paste from another post. Apologies to Public Opinion. That was not directed at you.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Mutualism, are all economic systems, I am against them all, any "System" that seeks authority over me is my enemy, point blank period.com

"Yeah...The "community" is the government that everyone agrees has to be formed in order to do the things socialists say socialism can do. "

Which is why I do not advocate socialism or even communism,

but that is no different than Capitalism being controlled by the State, Government, Banks, Corporations etc but that is basically agreeing with my point, socialism is the destruction of Government/The State and controlled by the "people"



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: ketsuko

No, No I am not actually


It's so easy to claim only you know what socialism is and it's not that bad when all you can do is claim that nothing is socialism.




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