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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Alien Abduct
It was an internet hoax dude.
snopes.com
Edit...
Here is a logic question for you. If we removed the wall of a prison and left the guards as they are, do you think the prison would be more secure, less secure or no change?
It would be logistically impossible to build 2000 miles of a prison wall type structure and then have it constantly physically monitored, like they do in prisons... So your question is irrelevant.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Alien Abduct
It was an internet hoax dude.
snopes.com
Edit...
Here is a logic question for you. If we removed the wall of a prison and left the guards as they are, do you think the prison would be more secure, less secure or no change?
It would be logistically impossible to build 2000 miles of a prison wall type structure and then have it constantly physically monitored, like they do in prisons... So your question is irrelevant.
So you dont want to answer the question. Cool.
I literally went of my way to edit my original post to answer your question, just for your benefit. Even though it was kind of a ridiculous question, which didn't really deserve a response.
Your welcome.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: UKTruth
Yes, that looks like a very impressive wall... It still doesn't even come close to being anywhere near as secure as a max security prison though, does it?
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: UKTruth
Yes, that looks like a very impressive wall... It still doesn't even come close to being anywhere near as secure as a max security prison though, does it?
You people are making yourselves look very foolish in your attempt to make an argument that a wall would be ineffective.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Speaking of foolish... How a about claiming Mexico has a southern border wall, because of some fake news meme that was being passed around on facebook?
Anyway, I personally think the particular "wall" Trump's proposing would be ineffective, nothing "foolish" about it... I could climb it with nothing but a rope in like 20 seconds. I suppose it could potentially prevent a few old ladies from crossing, but it'll be no real deterrent to drug smugglers and most illegal immigrants.
More to the point though, at this stage the whole debate about whether the wall would be effective or not, is kind of meaningless... Since it doesn't look like the Dems are going to budge on the issue, there's simply no political benefit for them to give Trump his wall. It Trumps shutdown not there's.
I gotta say, for such a self proclaimed master 4d chess playing deal maker, Trumps really backed himself into a corner here... Seems like he's got two choices, either admit defeat, or declare a national emergency.
Though, it seems to me declaring a nation emergency would create a whole lot of political backlash for Trump, otherwise he would have done it already... More like an all in bluff, with nothing but a pair of twos, rather than a full house up his sleeve.
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
... What is your solution to stop illegals from coming into this country?
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
... What is your solution to stop illegals from coming into this country?
You surely realise by now that all the bluster, arguments and outrage is but a cover for a very simple fact. There are people who don't WANT to stop illegal immigrants. This goes all the way back to 1965 where a clear strategy was put in motion to shift the electorate towards Democrats.
Southern Mexico does have border wall and I didn't post any memes. I did perhaps exaggerate when I said Mexico had guard houses on the wall but everything else is true. They have a wall and there is border guards.
How would a rope help you to bypass the motion detection cameras? Ground vibration sensors? Drones? Nations for eons have been building walls and not a peep about their ineffectiveness, suddenly today they are ineffective? Did they just invent the ladder and rope last year?
ON the campaign trail Donald Trump said he was going to get Mexico to pay for a wall along the border if elected as president. When the current president of Mexico said it would never happen, Trump infamously responded by saying “the wall just got 10 feet taller”.
Well, now the Israel-based security company responsible for the intrusion detection technology at the barrier between Israel and the Gaza strip has offered to help Trump with his plan.
While currently competing for the contract to build a wall on Kenya’s border with Somalia, Magal Security Systems chief executive Saar Koursh said he would love to secure the US border.
However, Magal Security Systems communications spokesman Hagai Katz claimed building a physical wall along every section of the border wouldn’t make a difference, as that method is only effective in populated areas.
“If you’re in an open spaces, which is more like a desert in a way, not a lot of vegetation, and no nearby cities, then you know putting a fence for thousands of kilometres or miles it just doesn’t make sense,” he toldThe Intercept.
So you admit that the reason the Dems don't want to budge on the wall is politically motivated, thanks.
Do you believe in higher wages or even fair wages for working citizens in the United States?
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Alien Abduct
Southern Mexico does have border wall and I didn't post any memes. I did perhaps exaggerate when I said Mexico had guard houses on the wall but everything else is true. They have a wall and there is border guards.
They have a few miles of 'fences' in highly populated areas. But they don't have border 'fences' in the less populated areas and there's a very good reason for that... It'd be completely ineffective and doesn't make any sense.
How would a rope help you to bypass the motion detection cameras? Ground vibration sensors? Drones? Nations for eons have been building walls and not a peep about their ineffectiveness, suddenly today they are ineffective? Did they just invent the ladder and rope last year?
Are motion detectors, ground vibration sensors and drones what Trump's proposing?
Has that astronomical cost been included into the 5.6 billion dollar budget he's demanding to build he's great border wall?
Fact of the matter is, it'd be a huge waste of money to even bother building thousands of kms of a border wall, let alone including these security features into most sections of it.
Some of these areas are extremely isolated. Chances are border agents would still be hours away, even if they had the ability to detect a breach... which would essentially render the wall and any security features completely useless.
And yes, the experts agree.
ON the campaign trail Donald Trump said he was going to get Mexico to pay for a wall along the border if elected as president. When the current president of Mexico said it would never happen, Trump infamously responded by saying “the wall just got 10 feet taller”.
Well, now the Israel-based security company responsible for the intrusion detection technology at the barrier between Israel and the Gaza strip has offered to help Trump with his plan.
While currently competing for the contract to build a wall on Kenya’s border with Somalia, Magal Security Systems chief executive Saar Koursh said he would love to secure the US border.
But...
However, Magal Security Systems communications spokesman Hagai Katz claimed building a physical wall along every section of the border wouldn’t make a difference, as that method is only effective in populated areas.
“If you’re in an open spaces, which is more like a desert in a way, not a lot of vegetation, and no nearby cities, then you know putting a fence for thousands of kilometres or miles it just doesn’t make sense,” he toldThe Intercept.
Source
So you admit that the reason the Dems don't want to budge on the wall is politically motivated, thanks.
Yeah, the only reason the Dems aren't compromising by offering to at least fund some hi tech security features around the more populated sections of the border, is purely politically motivated.
But can you admit that the only reason Trump wants thousand of miles of a border wall, which will in reality be completely useless in most sections, is purely politically motivated?
Do you believe in higher wages or even fair wages for working citizens in the United States?
Most definitely...
But building hundreds to thousands of miles of a border wall though basically desert regions, will do nothing to solve that issue.
If Trump actually cared about that, then he'd be talking about cracking down on the Americans who are actually hiring these illegals... That's where the real issue is.
It's like, if you come home to find your house has been flooded, you don't just get the mope and start cleaning do you, as if that'll solve the problem?
Of course not! Firstly, you have to go find & fix the source of what caused the flood in the first place.
originally posted by: UKTruth
originally posted by: Alien Abduct
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
... What is your solution to stop illegals from coming into this country?
You surely realise by now that all the bluster, arguments and outrage is but a cover for a very simple fact. There are people who don't WANT to stop illegal immigrants. This goes all the way back to 1965 where a clear strategy was put in motion to shift the electorate towards Democrats.