The "Walls Don't Work" Argument is the Stupidest One Yet.

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: dug88
How would a wall have stopped these 600,000 people from being in america illegally in 2017?

The wall is being proposed along the US/Mexico border, not at legal points of entry.

Yeah...but the wall is proposed as a solution to illegal immigration. I'm guessing less than 600,000 people crossed that border in the same time period. I just think the wall is probably the least effective solution to the problem rather than that it won't work. It's a bunch of money to stop a very small percentage of illegal immigration when less money could be spent on more effective measures.

Obviously the wall is concerned with those who refuse to enter through legal points of entry along the southern border. I don't think anyone implied it is going to stop those who overstay their welcome.

Yeah....that's worth $23 billion. The arguments I see is that...illegal immigration takes jobs, it allows criminals into the country and generally lowers the quality of life for people in said country. Personally...if my government were going to spend $23 billion to tackle such a problem, I would prefer something that actually decreases the numbers of illegal immigrants within the country and deals with with mass corruption allowing them to stay rather than these mystery people running across open desert into america.

But I guess it appeals more to fearful people to have a giant wall proposed than something like...we will spend money enforcing deportations and cracking down on businesses hiring and aiding illegal immigrants in the country or implementing proper border checks or ya know useful solutions that will actually decrease the number of illegal immigrants actually currently detrimenting your country.

It's a one time cost, excluding maintenance. In 2019 they are spending about the same on general border security. That's 22 percent higher than 2017. That number keeps climbing every year.

You'd rather people enter the country illegally without papers, without a security check, from the third-world, bringing in anything they want, than someone who enters legally but overstays their welcome?

No...I think whatever is guaranteed to stop and deal with the largest amount of people for the least amount of money is ideal.

Nothing works better and is more cost-effective than a massive barrier.

They haven't really worked all that well historically though.

Said no civilisation ever since the dawn of time.

The most stupid argument is to demand $5.7b to build a wall that is projected to cost at least 4 times that with no financial mechanism in-place to complete it. That's like funding 100ft of bridge when the actual bridge needs to be 500ft. Stupid.

Almost everything comes through legal ports of entry.

Almost everything comes through legal ports of entry.

Almost ... screw it, you people don’t give 2 #s about reality. I guess a southern wall would’ve caught the fentanyl bust in PA. In your idiotic reality.

originally posted by: dug88
How would a wall have stopped these 600,000 people from being in america illegally in 2017?

Since there is a wall in many parts already, probably walls have already deterred people. Butblook, why should we make it easier for the drug cartels and coyotes?
And Trump did offer amnesty for up to a million but the Democrats won’t take the deal. Why? Well because they are part of the Open Borders elites.

originally posted by: Melen
Almost everything comes through legal ports of entry.

Almost everything comes through legal ports of entry.

Almost ... screw it, you people don’t give 2 #s about reality. I guess a southern wall would’ve caught the fentanyl bust in PA. In your idiotic reality.

I’m sure you are right there on the border to back up your claim. More wall, less fentanyl, which by the way is used extensively in end-of-life palliative care.

a reply to: ScepticScotThe reasons are many, which you obviously know already. Perhaps you think we should just keep the status quo allowing human and drug trafficking, terrorist and Isis, criminals and just plain taking advantage of our welfare system... seems like that’s what you think is best. Bleeding heart liberal much or just plain socialist/Marxist ?

People crossed the berlin wall, and that wall had death traps. The not even fully built american wall is a joke.

a reply to: dug88

Guess what, we don't have to wait 5 years, because a little under 8 years ago (2011) the approved additional wall (from the 2006 bill) was completed and guess what happened?

This:

a reply to: JourneymanWelder

yes - people did over 150 thousand of them [ over 30 years ] a strak contrast to the 3 million in the 15 years before berlin wall

using a less violent example - the turks have 700km of thier proposed 800 km syria barrier complete - and they report its working

a reply to: JourneymanWelder

Why did they need to tear down the berlin wall if they don't work?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: ScepticScotThe reasons are many, which you obviously know already. Perhaps you think we should just keep the status quo allowing human and drug trafficking, terrorist and Isis, criminals and just plain taking advantage of our welfare system... seems like that’s what you think is best. Bleeding heart liberal much or just plain socialist/Marxist ?

No even remotely anything to do with what I posted.

a reply to: dug88

The Berlin wall did not work ?

It worked with incredible success rates...was unbelievably difficult to cross over.

If it was such a failure why bother with all that tearing it down fanfare ?

The great Trump Wall ! Historians will have a great story to tell. Only in the future when all people in any country are taken care, and the wars are finished, then we can take all the walls down and be one human society with ETs too.

I hope all the best for the TRUMP WALL !

originally posted by: GenerationGap
The people arguing against the wall are the exact same people that provide sanctuary from ICE officials to the illegal aliens that their own local police and sherriff departments currently have UNDER ARREST!!!

Really? Please provide evidence that the Cato Institute provides sanctuary from ICE officials to the illegal aliens that their own local police and sheriff departments currently have under arrest.

I'll wait.

No doubt. They don’t think, they follow. a reply to: Melen

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: dug88

The Berlin wall did not work ?

It worked with incredible success rates...was unbelievably difficult to cross over.

It didn't work as well as you'd expect. Historians estimate that around 5,000 managed to cross the wall and escape to West Germany.

It was also a much smaller wall than Trump's proposed border wall, and therefore much easier to control. Trump's wall would be an absolute nightmare to secure.

If it was such a failure why bother with all that tearing it down fanfare ?

Because it was illegally constructed by the Soviets (whom you apparently support) as part of their illegal annexation of East Germany. The whole point of tearing down the wall was to restore the stolen territory to Germany, and reunite the nation.

It was what it represented/symbolized not what it did. They really need to find better quality bots here. a reply to: ParasuvO

a reply to: soundguy

care to discuss the sucess of the turkey // syria barrier ???????????????

700km complete [ of 800km specified ] - and already its working [ according to turks govt // security services ]

a reply to: jtma508

The most stupid argument is to demand $5.7b to build a wall that is projected to cost at least 4 times

ever heard of stages?

with no financial mechanism in-place to complete it.

it's funny how there is a financial mechanism to raise ten times the amount for foreign funds but can't do it for the sake of security, go figure

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: soundguy
Ask the Chinese how that worked for them, lol. I swear rwnj’s aren’t aware of much, if anything. a reply to: Propagandalf

The implication is no wall would have helped them better. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Fun-fact would be, that's pretty much the consensus when it comes to the Roman Empire as well. The moment they've constructed massive walls to secure their borders, was the moment they cemented their own fate.

and by the second century the Emperor Hadrian was forced to build his famous wall in Britain just to keep the enemy at bay. As more and more funds were funneled into the military upkeep of the empire, technological advancement slowed and Rome’s civil infrastructure fell into disrepair.

www.history.com...

You see any parallels yet, Les Platitudes?