The North Pole is moving 34 miles per year towards Siberia ?

originally posted by: Gargoyle91
a reply to: andy06shake

They say pole reversals in the past happened every 200,000 to 300,000 years but it's been almost 800,000 years since the last one and that the magnetic field is getting weaker , Does that mean the core is slowing down ?

Probably we have made bad conclusions with the data on that 200k to 300k years guess. 300 to 200 is 50% difference and that is a statistical disaster to results most of the time.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I'm thinking that mining could possibly effect the pole like that. So many big mines are pulling out metals out of the crust that it could effect the dipoles which in turn might have some effect on this movement of the north magnetic pole.

I am guessing maybe not the mines since some of those mines are created by magma cooling leaving deposits.

Oil wells seem to be something that we are pulling huge amounts out and there has to be some kind of hole for the oil to reside in even if only in the pores of Shale.

will wonders never cease. A planet that changes. Wow. Who would have thought.


It is probably Trumps or Carbon's fault.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Isn't the North Pole stationary? Wouldn't it be more like Siberia is moving toward the North Pole?

Magnetic north is not the same as "true north." What is moving is "magnetic north." The land masses, in this particular discussion, is not the one moving.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: rickymouse
I'm thinking that mining could possibly effect the pole like that. So many big mines are pulling out metals out of the crust that it could effect the dipoles which in turn might have some effect on this movement of the north magnetic pole.

I am guessing maybe not the mines since some of those mines are created by magma cooling leaving deposits.

Oil wells seem to be something that we are pulling huge amounts out and there has to be some kind of hole for the oil to reside in even if only in the pores of Shale.

Even damming a river and making a long and deep reservoir can be geoeffective.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Oh its not moving. Or at least yet.

But the fun may not really start till it does. Just like if the mag north moves the south has to move, in time the tilt will have to shift to accommodate that as well, kind of like a gyroscope with more then one spinning wheel parts, the inner part shifts then the outer part has to accommodate, and vice versa if the other part moves angles then the inner part has to accommodate.

Unfortunately though for many they will not get to live to see it, however long that seeing is, generations, a few years, months, to a few minutes, seconds even depending on were your at. I know it sucks that we live in such uninteresting times.

But hey you never know, that seems to be the theme of life. I like to call it the BAM theory. Just when you think something goes and works one way, nature, crom, the universe, the flying spagati monster, or whatever, and whoever likes to throw a monkey wrench into all that just to keep things interesting...And then? BAM. Magic happens.

If you read Dolore's predictions concerning Nostradamus, it's almost here.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: rickymouse
I'm thinking that mining could possibly effect the pole like that. So many big mines are pulling out metals out of the crust that it could effect the dipoles which in turn might have some effect on this movement of the north magnetic pole.

I am guessing maybe not the mines since some of those mines are created by magma cooling leaving deposits.

Oil wells seem to be something that we are pulling huge amounts out and there has to be some kind of hole for the oil to reside in even if only in the pores of Shale.

Even damming a river and making a long and deep reservoir can be geoeffective.

I am no great Physicist by any stretch but the surface having a small scratch on such a big object as Earth is going to be infinitesimal in affect. I recall when taking Phsyical Chem , a very tough Calculus based set of equations, that the small incidental things are so small they "are like adding Zero to the equation, they are meaningless and we through them out".. Of course I tried to make the calculation with that still being considered and made it way harder on my solution to the problems given.

Probably is a Zero impact of the relativity to the big object is what I think I understand.

So we have a molten liquid metal core inside of a planet generating a magnetic field, a planet that is rotating and wobbling, orbiting a star with several other planets in a solar system within a band of a massive galaxy that is also rotating at incredible speed while also flying through space at incredible speed in a dynamic universe....

And the magnetic pole of that core is changing position.

Terrifying!

originally posted by: TexasTruth
Y’all are really gonna freak when Guam capsizes.

Thanks for a damn good laugh !
I wonder how many more see the joke ?

originally posted by: ausername
So we have a molten liquid metal core inside of a planet generating a magnetic field, a planet that is rotating and wobbling, orbiting a star with several other planets in a solar system within a band of a massive galaxy that is also rotating at incredible speed while also flying through space at incredible speed in a dynamic universe....

And the magnetic pole of that core is changing position.

Terrifying!

And no one wanting to believe this if you try to explain it except among nerds and doomporn people. I like to think we can survive this if we just don't panic. We need to adapt.

ETA

I wish one of our historians of what most of us probably call myths could enlighten us on what was said to have happened to people socially during the time of solar minimums where the Galactic energy / Cosmic waves were able to penetrate the Earths atmosphere and create havoc to the DNA? I have learned there is some truth to be weaned from the Myths.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: rickymouse
I'm thinking that mining could possibly effect the pole like that. So many big mines are pulling out metals out of the crust that it could effect the dipoles which in turn might have some effect on this movement of the north magnetic pole.

I am guessing maybe not the mines since some of those mines are created by magma cooling leaving deposits.

Oil wells seem to be something that we are pulling huge amounts out and there has to be some kind of hole for the oil to reside in even if only in the pores of Shale.

Even damming a river and making a long and deep reservoir can be geoeffective.

I am no great Physicist by any stretch but the surface having a small scratch on such a big object as Earth is going to be infinitesimal in affect. I recall when taking Phsyical Chem , a very tough Calculus based set of equations, that the small incidental things are so small they "are like adding Zero to the equation, they are meaningless and we through them out".. Of course I tried to make the calculation with that still being considered and made it way harder on my solution to the problems given.

Probably is a Zero impact of the relativity to the big object is what I think I understand.

Remember that ground currents are geo effective and water bodies and underground water tables do conduct currents between the sky and earth. Along with these currents are geomagnetic disturbances, especially if there are metal ore bodies going deep in the area. There has to be electrolytes in a dam but there are electrolytes present in the vegetation and mineral deposits there most times. You can boost the effect of a magnet with some electric currents. Gravity is effected by bodies of water in the earth.

We are only talking small changes in the magnetic north pole here each year. It is not like it is flipping way over. I am not so sure that man with his huge machinery is effecting the ecosystem and changing the way the energy flows through the earth too much. I mean, it is not something to worry about, it just changes weather patterns. If we keep denying there is any relationship and keep altering the ecosystem and crustal energy flow too much it can cause some really big changes though, we cannot ignore anything. I actually feel what I am discussing has more effect than the CO2 on climate change, but it is economically taboo to say mining is causing even the smallest change, a lot of stuff is mined for all sorts of things. Remember, coal can conduct since it is carbon, coal mining is also a part of what I said, so is mining mineral deposits for fertilizers. Mountains are geoeffective, some mountains are disappearing, even skyscrapers are geoeffective, energy flows from sky to earth and earth to sky through them changing climate on a local basis.

I remember back in 2011 TIA (Tampa Int,) had to change runway headings due to the magnetic shift, I knew it (Magnetic North) moved but I didn't realize how much it affected compass readings until then.

On January 13, 2011 the runway designations changed due to a shift in the magnetic headings. 9/27 became 10/28, 18R/36L became 1L/19R, 18L/36R became 1R/19L.

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originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Gargoyle91
Well that is good, that there updating there model.

Would not want people some time from now, maybe years maybe months to fly north only to end up somewhere else. Also what would happen if pilots take off the autopilot?

Autopilots today are initialized using fixed points described by lat/long coordinates, which are defined by reference to the true or geographic north pole, not magnetic. It would only be a problem if you set the autopilot to a heading hold mode and didn't correct the directional gyro to account for magnetic variation. Otherwise you're going to be flying a great circle true course, accounting for both variation and deviation.

a reply to: F4guy
Like I said they fly from point to point, they don't navigate from point to point each and every second, much less circumnavigate. But if they had to navigate, and the magnetic north and south were not were they think it is. Were would they likely go, if they were not aware of that?

Also the point to point is just a map based fly path, and the map based fly path is based and created on magnetic north and south. It is a bit disorienting when all you would have is sea and clouds, which direction is which otherwise even with point to point trajectories. Not even birds fly over the ocean by sight. And having a few thousands mile deviation in that, eventually, may be not good.

Or it may be good. Just depends on how you look at it.

Source: xkcd.com (2098)
Mouse over: People keep trying to come up with reasons that we should worry about the magnetic field collapsing or reversing, but I honestly think it's fine. Whatever minor problems it causes will be made up for by the mid-latitude auroras.

LOL!

The magnetic pole always drifts around. Not much to be done about it.

And unless it can flash freeze a mastodon, not much to worry about.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: F4guy
Like I said they fly from point to point, they don't navigate from point to point each and every second, much less circumnavigate. But if they had to navigate, and the magnetic north and south were not were they think it is. Were would they likely go, if they were not aware of that?

Also the point to point is just a map based fly path, and the map based fly path is based and created on magnetic north and south. It is a bit disorienting when all you would have is sea and clouds, which direction is which otherwise even with point to point trajectories. Not even birds fly over the ocean by sight. And having a few thousands mile deviation in that, eventually, may be not good.

Or it may be good. Just depends on how you look at it.

I look at it from the left seat of a 450 ton aircraft. And no, we don'tavigate each and every second. Our dual antenna INS has a data output rate of 1000 Hz, which means we navigate point to point every millisecond.Magnetic variation is a non-issue. With RTK, our horizontal position accuracy is .0008 meters. That's less than 1/3 of an inch, which ain't bad on an airplane that's 250 feet long with a 224 foot wingspan. The same readout gives altitude with 1/2 inch accuracy, and groundspeed, with better than an inch per second accuracy. It's all done with accelerometers and gyroscopes and with GPS backups. For more info look up laser ring gyroscopes. Using a magnetic compass for primary navigation went out with steam gauge instrumentation and ADF or radio range navigation.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Isn't the North Pole stationary? Wouldn't it be more like Siberia is moving toward the North Pole?

Magnetic north is not the same as "true north." What is moving is "magnetic north." The land masses, in this particular discussion, is not the one moving.

Any more poles out there that I need to not worry about moving?

a reply to: F4guy

OK. Was hard to read that as you quoted it all in one thing. But ya, magnetic contraptions are out of style, and saying you navigate every millisecond is not correct and you know it.

Very few humans can think in the millisecond much less process it all, what your saying when you say that you navigate every millisecond. Is that the devices computers and what not, get a constant stream of updates every second on were you at or were you might be. And you can use laser whatnot's. But in all its still based on the magnetic north and south no matter what you use or how you do it. The technology is still based on basically two points, magnetic north and true north. That is all.

Listen I don't know why you seem to be trying to make some points with me. To tell the truth I have read zero, as in 0, in the technologies or gadgets you all and planes use to travel. I am just purely going on what you all would do, based on the technology that is around. And if I did bother to know what actually fights use, I most likely could spin this thing on its head.

But in all, what I am saying is that no matter what technology you use, most of it if not all, is pinning and based on were magnetic north is, if not then your just going from point to point, like a trolley on a line, from stop to stop. And that to is based on were the actual north happens to be spinning at. The two together make up a map. Its kind of like if you read something on printed paper or on digital screens. In the end its still based on words.

In all, to me personally this is a none issue. If the magnetic north was in Siberia tomorrow, it would not matter to me. In fact it would not bother me if the whole planet started tilting on its axis either. But hey, whatever you know, the more I think about it the more I find it hard to care. I think I have wasted enough time on this subject.