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Both feminists[1][2][3] and opponents of discrimination against men[4][5]:102 have criticized military conscription, or compulsory military service, as sexist. Feminists argue that military conscription is sexist because wars typically serve the interests of the patriarchy, therefore the military is inherently a sexist institution. They say conscription of men normalizes male violence, conscripts are indoctrinated into sexism and violence against women, and military training socializes conscripts into patriarchal gender roles.[6][7] While not all feminists are anti-militarists, opposition to war and militarism has been a strong current within the women's movement. Prominent suffragists like Quaker Alice Paul, and Barbara Deming, a feminist activist and thinker of the 1960s and '70s, were ardent pacifists. Moreover, feminist critique has often regarded the military as a hierarchical, male-dominated institution promoting destructive forms of power." [8] Feminists have been organizers and participants in resistance to conscription
Feminists argue that military conscription is sexist because wars typically serve the interests of the patriarchy, therefore the military is inherently a sexist institution.
originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
Hi all,
I have been seeking some information on the internet regarding the feminist position on the fact that it is, and has historically only been the male population who have been subject to military conscription however, can not find anything substantial to determine whether there is an overarching view held by feminists on this.
From what I can find only the following countries allow for female conscription; China, Eritrea, Israel, Libya, Malaysia, North Korea, Norway, Peru and Taiwan
Are we to believe that countries such as China ,North Korea and Libya are more progressive than us in the Western World?
If we are to believe Wikipedia;
Both feminists[1][2][3] and opponents of discrimination against men[4][5]:102 have criticized military conscription, or compulsory military service, as sexist. Feminists argue that military conscription is sexist because wars typically serve the interests of the patriarchy, therefore the military is inherently a sexist institution. They say conscription of men normalizes male violence, conscripts are indoctrinated into sexism and violence against women, and military training socializes conscripts into patriarchal gender roles.[6][7] While not all feminists are anti-militarists, opposition to war and militarism has been a strong current within the women's movement. Prominent suffragists like Quaker Alice Paul, and Barbara Deming, a feminist activist and thinker of the 1960s and '70s, were ardent pacifists. Moreover, feminist critique has often regarded the military as a hierarchical, male-dominated institution promoting destructive forms of power." [8] Feminists have been organizers and participants in resistance to conscription
It would seem feminists do not oppose the fact that military conscription is restricted specifically to males (no protests in the street about extending this to include women) but a pacifistic stance against the military in general.
Feminists....over to you, what are your views on this matter? Should countries who require mandatory military service from their citizens expand this to include women in the name of equality?
As an extra tangent of discussion, has the so-called "toxic masculinity" ie; aggressive, dominant behaviour etc. come about as a result of being forced in to committing violence for thousands of years? Has this mentality generationally continued on to those who are deemed "toxic" males.
I make no excuse nor have anytime for less than gentlemanly behaviour from the modern man (except where appropriate) however, is this a thought worth exploring?
Interested as to peoples thoughts.
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: rickymouse
What the old expression....
Ignorance is bliss
as a female minority
originally posted by: DanDanDat
a reply to: Lumenari
Just a thought I had while reading your well written reply.
as a female minority
"Of the 2010 Census population, 157.0 million were female (50.8 percent) while 151.8 million were male (49.2 percent). "
It would seem that females are actually the majority and not a minority.
Interesting enough
"Between 2000 and 2010, the male population grew at a slightly faster rate (9.9 percent) than the female population (9.5 percent)."
I wonder why that is?
www.google.com...://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi7mc7Gm-LfAhWPMd8KHXA5Du0QFj ABegQIDhAE&usg=AOvVaw11ZaHiC5nQSvDVUHdPzuAt
originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM
As the father of a 16 year old girl I feel my opinion on the matter counts.
I think she should sign up for selective service.
Not because I want her in combat but if we as a society are expected to look at both sexes as equal then both sexes need to have the same responsibilities.
Let's be honest here though, most women would not be able to perform the same as men in the field so they would automatically be exempt from combat.
My 5'6" 140lbs daughter would not be able to carry a 70lbs load like the men do.
But she can drive a truck, run a computer, cook, direct traffic on a flight deck.
How can we pick and choose where we deserve to be equal?
Who in their right mind would set a woman's football team against a men's football team?
I like my men to BE men.