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Illegal Border Crossings are Down

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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 01:48 PM
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According to the anti-Trump press, illegal border crossings are down, and therefor there is no crisis at the border, and therefor no wall is required.

The problem is, their metric for determining this is not statistics on illegal border crossings per say, but statistics on illegal border crossing apprehensions. Those who were never apprehended, who instead applied for asylum, or who now otherwise reside illegally in the country, apparently, do not factor into this equation.

It’s true that illegal border crossing apprehensions have dramatically decreased over the past decade. And to be fair, this metric is the only one they have available. But why don’t they just say “illegal border crossing apprehensions are down”, instead of removing a key noun from the phrase?

Though it is still disconcerting to know of the tens of thousands apprehended at the border every month, the concern for many Americans has always been about those illegals who have illegally crossed the southern border, who otherwise evaded capture or gamed the system, and who now reside illegally in the country.

The concern is for the effects that illegal immigration—not illegal immigration apprehensions—has on the country, it’s citizens, it’s sovereignty.

The conflation of illegal border crossing apprehensions and illegal border crossings as such is an obvious straw man.

Border Crossings Have Been Declining for Years, Despite Claims of a ‘Crisis of Illegal Immigration’


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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 01:56 PM
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Surly if illegal boarder crossings have been decreasing with more sophisticated boarder security then that should mean the number of illegal attempts is falling?

Their is nobway I guess to say x number of people have definitely illegally crossed undected. So because of this lack of data you could either say it’s a crisis or a non-issue.

I would be reassured if illegal boarder crossing apprehensions are down with more security because that must mean attempts should be falling.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Border*

I can only watch it misspelled so many times.

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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Surly if illegal boarder crossings have been decreasing with more sophisticated boarder security then that should mean the number of illegal attempts is falling?

Their is nobway I guess to say x number of people have definitely illegally crossed undected. So because of this lack of data you could either say it’s a crisis or a non-issue.

I would be reassured if illegal boarder crossing apprehensions are down with more security because that must mean attempts should be falling.


I don’t see how that is the case. In no way do less arrests mean less crimes are being committed.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf



To those that think border apprehensions going down mean we no longer have to worry about illegal immigration

Does that mean that the US greenhouse gas emissions going down mean we no longer have to worry about climate change?



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

the concern for many Americans has always been about those illegals who have illegally crossed the southern border, who otherwise evaded capture or gamed the system, and who now reside illegally in the country.





it has always been a concern for many

also seems to be a new concern for many others based on trumps rhetoric

funny cause nobody seems concerned about all the people overstaying their visa and living here illegally.

why not i wonder?

this 'crisis' seems to be a fairly new thing

it has always been an issue but it is just recently turned into a crisis.

wonder if trumps rhetoric and propaganda has anything to do with that

he hit all the key words last night


do you know why nobody seems to be concerned with all the people from the great white north overstaying their visa?
we are talking multiple thousands of people
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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Propagandalf

the concern for many Americans has always been about those illegals who have illegally crossed the southern border, who otherwise evaded capture or gamed the system, and who now reside illegally in the country.





it has always been a concern for many

also seems to be a new concern for many others based on trumps rhetoric

funny cause nobody seems concerned about all the people overstaying their visa and living here illegally.

why not i wonder?

this 'crisis' seems to be a fairly new thing

it has always been an issue but it is just recently turned into a crisis.

wonder if trumps rhetoric and propaganda has anything to do with that

he hit all the key words last night


do you know why nobody seems to be concerned with all the people from the great white north overstaying their visa?
we are talking multiple thousands of people


Breaking into a country through illegal points of entry is a little more different than overstaying a welcome.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:14 PM
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Doesn't mean snip.

Tired of these 'stat' distractions.

Our borders need to be secured/reinforced.

If you can't come to terms with historical complacency as it pertains to foriegn policy amongst those who vote, that's an individual problem.

America has sewn some snippy relationships around the world in its quest for trade dominance.

Your better job, better car loan, better house loan, your better life in general, (I admit that's subjective) is a result of geopolitical decisions. Doesn't matter about your education level, you benefit either way, and you HAVE.

Oh yes, the chickens will come home to roost.

Regardless of your gender, your socioeconomic status, your student loan, your car loan, your job, your political leanings, your avocado toast thing, and internet speed....

You are absolutely, and stunningly naive to think that you are somehow hermetically sealed against action vs. reaction.
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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

Breaking into a country through illegal points of entry is a little more different than overstaying a welcome.


is it?
is the end result not a person living here illegally?

i though that was the concern

but sure. walking across is like way worse than not getting on the plane back home

i guess

seriously though
if we are to allocate billions to fight illegal immigration shouldnt we be fighting illegal immigration across many fronts?

seems like most of you really only care about that couple thousand miles down south



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

I am concerned about people overstaying visas.

However, contrary to some talking points that is not the majority of illegals according to studies. (around 44% I think, still a considerable number to be concerned with)

There is also the fact that people that pverstay were vetted and cleared to come, and although it is a problem they are overstaying, that different than people that arent vetted at all and are here.

But I agree we should do more than just the wall

I would start with busting employers that knowingly higher illegals, but thats just me.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: EternalShadow

It’s an issue of national security, sovereignty, and because of human trafficking, illegal contraband, violence, disease, it is a human rights issue.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Propagandalf

The democrats greatest weapon at this point, would be to constantly claim that illegal border crossings are down.

Since Trump's signature campaign policy was that he could fix the illegal immigration issue... So it's not like his going to come out and claim it's gotten worse since he was elected... lol.

The Dems have really got Trump by the short and curlies, when it comes to current rates of illegal border crossings.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:19 PM
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One is too many.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Propagandalf

Breaking into a country through illegal points of entry is a little more different than overstaying a welcome.


is it?
is the end result not a person living here illegally?

i though that was the concern

but sure. walking across is like way worse than not getting on the plane back home

i guess

seriously though
if we are to allocate billions to fight illegal immigration shouldnt we be fighting illegal immigration across many fronts?

seems like most of you really only care about that couple thousand miles down south


Yes we should. But it’s much easier to deal with illegals who come through legal points of entry. They often have passports and have to pass through security.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Propagandalf

The democrats greatest weapon at this point, would be to constantly claim that illegal border crossings are down.

Since Trump's signature campaign policy was that he could fix the illegal immigration issue... So it's not like his going to come out and claim it's gotten worse since he was elected... lol.

The Dems have really got Trump by the short and curlies, when it comes to current rates of illegal border crossings.


Illegal border crossing apprehensions. Again, they never site statistics on illegal border crossings. So why say it?



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:25 PM
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Another 15,000 on their way next month.




posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: chadderson
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Border*

I can only watch it misspelled so many times.


Couldn’t care care less am dyslexic I make no apologies fir spelling



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:37 PM
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Yes and no.

Those are all great deflections however.

It is better to divide the issue than for the masses to realize and come to terms with their complacency.

My god......people might really wake up and take appropriate action..



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: EternalShadow
Yes and no.

Those are all great deflections however.

It is better to divide the issue than for the masses to realize and come to terms with their complacency.

My god......people might really wake up and take appropriate action..


Sorry, I had no clue what you were getting at. I still don’t understand what I’m deflecting from.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: EternalShadow
Yes and no.

Those are all great deflections however.

It is better to divide the issue than for the masses to realize and come to terms with their complacency.

My god......people might really wake up and take appropriate action..


Sorry, I had no clue what you were getting at. I still don’t understand what I’m deflecting from.


I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people.

Most would rather argue about the results rather than take responsibility for said results.




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