Another First for the Trump Presidency!

a reply to: JinMI

wait wait when his deplorable supporters were chanting build the wall and when he goaded them for the response ( damian)
about who was going to pay for the wall what was the expected answer? Oh yeah...MEXICO.
So they could wire the cash or write a check but of course yes they expected that Mexico was really going to pay for it.
Of course trump himself knew he was full of # and he was conning you guys again like trump university and of course he himself never expected to actually win and he never thought he was going to have to answer for that.
Now of course Mexico is NOT going to pay for the wall and his wall, his swan song, his raison d'être, will never be built.

Only a rwnj would make that observation. a reply to: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: BlackJackal

Trump gave a speech like Obama did many times.

He did give info, I dont know how you missed it. I was a chance for Trump to articulate why the wall was needed, and how the dems refuse to fund it despite being for similar things in the past. The msm are 92% negative to trump, so he was able to give his message to people without their hatred for 8 minutes.


Yep people fundraise. I have seen dems fundraise off of things like Gabby Gifford being shot. Bet republicans do things like that too. Hardly shocking, even if its distasteful. Nothing new though, and this doesnt seem to be egregious


As far as not wanting to give the speech. first so what. second more anonymous sources, so who knows if its true.

You make it seem like this speech was some horrible new first for a president.

In reality it was pretty conventional for presidents to do speeches like this, and I thought it was pretty good.

Yes, he reads professional written scripts very well. We all know that's not how he talks. Funny he absolutely depends on all MSM media to broadcast live and to carry his "message". That same media he says daily is "fake"...is the same media he needs. So! His comments were "fake", correct?

Therefore, not only was no "national state of emergency" declared as many posters swore would be...but his poor attempt at appearing "human" about sharing w crying families and he shared this at that.... now we know he didn't do any such thing.

And? Mr. President? When you look right or to the left and speak in measured tones with big words....you should not read from the tele-prompter unless you move it up-under center lens...so it appears you really are addressing the camera, wrote your own thoughts, and actually believe them.

Respectfully...if you thought it was pretty good...and realize he read and probably didnt write most of it...and watched him depend on the"fake" MSM to get the message out across MSM (fake), alternative (opinionated) and independent...then...how's that working for everyone?

a reply to: mysterioustranger

So your big take away is this was bad because someone else wrote the speech and trumo read it?

Ummm, that is how every president does these Oval Office addresses

And relying on the media to push his ideas?

There has never been a president with a media more against him

originally posted by: Gothmog
With the type of deep spin you provide in each and every thread , you need to apply for a job at CNN or The Onion
Your talent is not served here on ATS.
Deny Ignorance and such.
Especially Ignorance Incarnate.

Mexico , under the new trade deal , technically will be paying for the wall with the new tariffs

I like how you consider just reporting facts is spin....

You and Donald Trump don't understand how trade deals work do you? The money doesn't go to the federal government, it goes to businesses and individuals who, you know, actually trade stuff. You might be able to make an argument that the trade deal will increase taxes but Trump slashed the corporate tax rate so it is highly unlikely that the new trade deal will be able to bring tax income back to levels before Trump cut the rate.

In addition to that, the trade deal hasn't even passed Congress yet.....

a reply to: BlackJackal

So far, so good, if the president needs to address the nation about a serious issue then, by all means, address the nation.

POTUS thought there was a need and the issue is serious; seems your opinion is different than his. Not at all surprising from your post history.
Spoiler alert: you won't like anything POTUS does and we will not be surprised.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: BlackJackal

Someone tell donald if he wants to stop drug trafficking into the US to have a word with the CIA

I think he knows after all the deep state is gunning for our freedoms he currently truly represents to many. They want our freedoms/money and faithful worship at the alter of one size fits all socialism instead of free thought and new ideas surfacing thru trial and error.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Really good analysis in my opinion OP.

I am struggling more and more to understand why his supporters are not turning against him over this issue because I feel like it’s them who are being conned by him this time more than anyone else.

There is a subset of Trump supporters that will never turn against him. They have doubled and tripled down on him so many times that they are bought in now. There is a psychological effect gripping this nation that makes it painful to admit when you are wrong. His supporters may actually privately acknowledge that they are wrong but they probably won't admit it publicly because this country suffers from delusions of infallibility.[1]

It's highly unlikely that many people on this site will every admit they were wrong. Even if Trump is impeached you can expect many on this site to still call the impeachment unjustified.

[1] The Mindset That Makes It Hard to Admit You're Wrong

Trump and articulate in the same sentence, lol. Maybe you do have a future in comedy after all. a reply to: Grambler

a reply to: BlackJackal

It blows me out how with the US doing $522 billion in trade with Mexico in FY 2017 people don't realise TRump saying "we can work it out" means exactly that

Somewhere amongst that $522 billion there must be a way the US can give Mexico say a 0.5% trade break somewhere? There's $2.5 billion straight away!

Just like how a part of the mlitary's budget can go towards it ... so can some of Mexico's "trade" with the US, which when you consider who has been arranging those "trade deals" with Mexico over the past 20 years . . . I'm sure there's some "fat" in there! lol Think Haiti

a reply to: BlackJackal

Trump spoke.

You didn’t like what he said.

Some of us did like what he said.

*shrug*


Did I miss something?

a reply to: BlackJackal

You're blind from tds. You couldn't objectively watch the president of he gave you a million dollars to you could do so.

Jaden

a reply to: Grambler


You do know, the trump foundation wont be able to cut you checks anymore, Putin says he will make it up to you though.

The only thing that's in crisis right now is d.j. trump's ego.

originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: Grambler


You do know, the trump foundation wont be able to cut you checks anymore, Putin says he will make it up to you though.

If you are going to try to insult someone, at least be courteous enough to actually be funny

a reply to: Lysergic

Muh fav part was when they use to roam around these united states and massacre each other. Good ol' tribal warfare.

Well if they're gonna be walled in now - the armed forces will be their escape. More enlistments to go conquer the world for "freedom and profit for corporate interests"

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Lysergic

Is Trump planning on building a home around the border? no, a security wall, if you can't tell the difference between a Home and a security wall, that is on you

What is your point about "Tribal Warfare? are you a Native? do you think you can school me (a native) on this?

I'll school you on it.

Again.

Batter up Comrade.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Lysergic

Muh fav part was when they use to roam around these united states and massacre each other. Good ol' tribal warfare.

Well if they're gonna be walled in now - the armed forces will be their escape. More enlistments to go conquer the world for "freedom and profit for corporate interests"

Ironically the same people telling us a wall is immoral are the ones screaming we need to stay in illegal wars like Afghanistan and Syria

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: mysterioustranger

So your big take away is this was bad because someone else wrote the speech and trumo read it?

Ummm, that is how every president does these Oval Office addresses

And relying on the media to push his ideas?

There has never been a president with a media more against him

I agree with what you said though...he has to use the fake media, read from a professional speech writers text...and had little substance, propositions and intent to fix...and how...the American public wants, needs and deserves.

Yes too....like every other President...except worse...don't you hate billionaires telling us average folks how to live when they never walk in our shoes?

This was not directed at you Mr. G.
Best, M.S.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: iplay1up2
a reply to: Grambler


You do know, the trump foundation wont be able to cut you checks anymore, Putin says he will make it up to you though.

If you are going to try to insult someone, at least be courteous enough to actually be funny

It put a smile on my face. I just think its funny the amount of time you put into trump. All day every day.