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Another First for the Trump Presidency!

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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:38 PM
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Donald Trump conducted a campaign rally from the Oval Office complete with sleazy fundraising. That's right, our president called the American television networks and said he would like to address the American people to convey details about a serious issue facing our country. So far, so good, if the president needs to address the nation about a serious issue then, by all means, address the nation.

However, that wasn't the speech the president just gave the nation. He didn't give any information that he hasn't already told the media. So, the president did not give information about a serious crisis, he just gave a recap of his illegal immigration greatest hits.

Also, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for this freaking wall? Trump seemed to think so when he all but begged the Mexican president to just lie about it.


The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, “Mexico will pay for the wall” and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions – some people say more – is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is – if we are going to have continued dialogue – we will work out the wall. They are going to say, “who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President?” to both of us, and we should both say, “we will work it out.” It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, “we will not pay” and me saying, “we will not pay.”

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In addition to how ridiculous this speech was, there is also the sleazy fundraising. Prior to the speech Trump sent an email to his supporters urging them to donate $500,000 today! He told the supporters the money would go to the "Official Secure the Border Fund" but the fine print points out that it really is just a donation to the Trump 2020 Campaign.[2] Also, if you remember back about 3 weeks, Trump was forced to shut down his own charity due to using it like a piggy bank. Now he is asking his supporters to donate to a nonexistent charity that instead just dumps into his reelction campaign.


"We need to raise $500,000 in ONE DAY. I want to know who stood with me when it mattered most so I’ve asked my team to send me a list of EVERY AMERICAN PATRIOT who donates to the Official Secure the Border Fund," read the email written in Trump's name.

"Please make a special contribution of $5 by 9 PM EST to our Official Secure the Border Fund to have your name sent to me after my speech," it added.
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But wait! It gets better!

After the speech they sent out another email asking for campaign donations.


President Trump just finished his speech addressing our National Security crisis on the Southern border and explaining why he wil NOT cave to the Democrats when it comes to YOUR SAFETY.

We sent him a list of all patriots who donated to our Official Secure the Border Fund and he noticed your name wasn't on the list, Friend.

He figured this couldn't be right because he knows how much you care about BUILDING THE WALL.

Since you've been such a strong supporter and one of our greatest advocates for THE WALL, we haved decided to extend your deadline to get on the list to 11:59 PM TONIGHT.
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AND if you act now we will throw in a TRUMP™® Steak, 50 TRUMP™® Casino Chips, and one round trip ticket aboard TRUMP™® Airlines!!!!!

Trump is using a supposed "CRISIS" to fleece his supporters. That's pretty sick. Especially considering many of these people he is asking for money are not getting paid while the government is shutdown.


In addition, Trump didn't even want to give this speech in the first place, nor did he want to visit the border.


Privately, Mr. Trump dismissed his own new strategy as pointless. In an off-the-record lunch with television anchors hours before the address, he made clear in blunt terms that he was not inclined to give the speech or go to Texas, but was talked into it by advisers, according to two people briefed on the discussion who asked not to be identified sharing details.

“It’s not going to change a damn thing, but I’m still doing it,” Mr. Trump said of the trip to the border, according to one of the people, who was in the room. The border trip was just a photo opportunity, he said. “But,” he added, gesturing at his communications aides, Bill Shine, Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Kellyanne Conway, “these people behind you say it’s worth it.”
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Trump is a joke, there really is no other word to describe this moron.

PLUS, none of this even touches on the massive Russia collusion news that broke today.


[1] ‘This deal will make me look terrible’: Full transcripts of Trump’s calls with Mexico and Australia
[2] Trump fundraises off prime-time address
[3] Twitter
[4] Twitter
[5] NYT: Trump didn’t even want to give that immigration speech
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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:43 PM
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However, that wasn't the speech the president just gave the nation. He didn't give any information that he hasn't already told the media. So, the president did not give information about a serious crisis, he just gave a recap of his illegal immigration greatest hits.


So you weren't impressed, bored even. Fair enough. I guess consistency can be boring but it has its merits.




Also, wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for this freaking wall?


Are you another one of those that assumes Mexico will cut the U.S. a check?



FWIW, I didn't get an email.


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:48 PM
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Trump gave a speech like Obama did many times.

He did give info, I dont know how you missed it. I was a chance for Trump to articulate why the wall was needed, and how the dems refuse to fund it despite being for similar things in the past. The msm are 92% negative to trump, so he was able to give his message to people without their hatred for 8 minutes.


Yep people fundraise. I have seen dems fundraise off of things like Gabby Gifford being shot. Bet republicans do things like that too. Hardly shocking, even if its distasteful. Nothing new though, and this doesnt seem to be egregious


As far as not wanting to give the speech. first so what. second more anonymous sources, so who knows if its true.

You make it seem like this speech was some horrible new first for a president.

In reality it was pretty conventional for presidents to do speeches like this, and I thought it was pretty good.

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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:51 PM
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"We need to raise $500,000 in ONE DAY. I want to know who stood with me when it mattered most so I’ve asked my team to send me a list of EVERY AMERICAN PATRIOT who donates to the Official Secure the Border Fund," read the email written in Trump's name.


I’m curious how many people on a conspiracy website think it’s a good idea to donate money to Donald Trump so he can put you on a government list.


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

I'm fairly pro Trump and wouldn't donate one cent to his campaign or the R's. Also, I think anyone who uses ATS is already on a gov't list!



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

You mean you don’t care about the wall enough to donate your own money straight out of your pocket?

Traitor!!!!


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

I'll get to it. Still paying for Desert Storm/Shield.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

By that time we’ll be overrun by coyotes. Don’t you want to make America great? Maybe even again?


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: BlackJackal

Trump gave a speech like Obama did many times.


Of course Obama gave many speeches while he was in office. However, neither he or any other American president has delivered such a blatantly self-serving speech from the Oval Office. Those speeches are generally reserved for something major, not a political fight.



He did give info, I dont know how you missed it. I was a chance for Trump to articulate why the wall was needed, and how the dems refuse to fund it despite being for similar things in the past. The msm are 92% negative to trump, so he was able to give his message to people without their hatred for 8 minutes.


Yep people fundraise. I have seen dems fundraise off of thongs like Gabby Gifford being shot. Bet republicans do things like that too. Hardly shocking, even if its distasteful. Nothing new though, and this doesnt seem to be egregious


As far as not wanting to give the speech. fist so wwhat. second more anonymous sources, so who knows if its true.

You make it seem like this speech was some horrible new first for a president.

In reality it was pretty conventional for presidents to do speeches like this, and I thought it was pretty good.


You are only ok with it because you agree with his message. It's fairly obvious if Obama gave a speech about ObamaCare I can absolutely guarantee this board and pretty much any far-right corner of the earth would have went into a meltdown.

It's ok, you don't have to admit it, it's self-evident.

I would like for you to dig up one of these 'conventional speeches' where a president gives a speech and only reiterates information he has said before to both reporters and his campaign rallies.

Good luck, because it has never happened.


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

Hey they should've had you do the Democrat response !!

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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

You have seen Gabby Gifford's thong?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: underwerks

I'm fairly pro Trump and wouldn't donate one cent to his campaign or the R's. Also, I think anyone who uses ATS is already on a gov't list!


Well, that's why you didn't get an email. You haven't donated in the past.


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: BlackJackal

Trump gave a speech like Obama did many times.


Of course Obama gave many speeches while he was in office. However, neither he or any other American president has delivered such a blatantly self-serving speech from the Oval Office. Those speeches are generally reserved for something major, not a political fight.



You mean like the paris climate agreement, his health care bill, and the iran deal? Sure those werent self serving.






You are only ok with it because you agree with his message. It's fairly obvious if Obama gave a speech about ObamaCare I can absolutely guarantee this board and pretty much any far-right corner of the earth would have went into a meltdown.

It's ok, you don't have to admit it, it's self-evident.

I would like for you to dig up one of these 'conventional speeches' where a president gives a speech and only reiterates information he has said before to both reporters and his campaign rallies.

Good luck, because it has never happened.


You answer yourself here.

So basically you were ok with Obama doing it because you agreed with his message.

You are against trump and mad e a thread saying how terrible it was for trump to give this speech because you dint agree with the message.

Unlike you are doing here, I never complained about Obama giving a speech, I just complained about the details of the speech.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: Grambler

You have seen Gabby Gifford's thong?


Yeah saw that typo and figured someone would point it out

Doh!


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: BlackJackal

If Trump redirected those donations to the BlackJackal Lives Matter fund, you would still complain. You are so far left, I doubt anyone even takes you seriously.


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:14 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: BlackJackal

Trump gave a speech like Obama did many times.


Of course Obama gave many speeches while he was in office. However, neither he or any other American president has delivered such a blatantly self-serving speech from the Oval Office. Those speeches are generally reserved for something major, not a political fight.



You mean like the paris climate agreement, his health care bill, and the iran deal? Sure those werent self serving.






You are only ok with it because you agree with his message. It's fairly obvious if Obama gave a speech about ObamaCare I can absolutely guarantee this board and pretty much any far-right corner of the earth would have went into a meltdown.

It's ok, you don't have to admit it, it's self-evident.

I would like for you to dig up one of these 'conventional speeches' where a president gives a speech and only reiterates information he has said before to both reporters and his campaign rallies.

Good luck, because it has never happened.


You answer yourself here.

So basically you were ok with Obama doing it because you agreed with his message.

You are against trump and mad e a thread saying how terrible it was for trump to give this speech because you dint agree with the message.

Unlike you are doing here, I never complained about Obama giving a speech, I just complained about the details of the speech.



What in the world are you talking about? I asked you to dig up some Oval office speeches by other presidents that are even in the realm of Trump's speech. Your response was "You answer yourself here." What???

Obama did not do anything like this so how am I ok with it?

The speeches you listed are typical of US presidents, conveying news of major events, just like I said in my OP. What Trump did was to reiterate crap he has already spewn multiple times in hopes of getting campaign donations by tricking his supporters into thinking they are helping to build the wall.

There really is no comparison.


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: BlackJackal

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: BlackJackal

Trump gave a speech like Obama did many times.


Of course Obama gave many speeches while he was in office. However, neither he or any other American president has delivered such a blatantly self-serving speech from the Oval Office. Those speeches are generally reserved for something major, not a political fight.



You mean like the paris climate agreement, his health care bill, and the iran deal? Sure those werent self serving.






You are only ok with it because you agree with his message. It's fairly obvious if Obama gave a speech about ObamaCare I can absolutely guarantee this board and pretty much any far-right corner of the earth would have went into a meltdown.

It's ok, you don't have to admit it, it's self-evident.

I would like for you to dig up one of these 'conventional speeches' where a president gives a speech and only reiterates information he has said before to both reporters and his campaign rallies.

Good luck, because it has never happened.


You answer yourself here.

So basically you were ok with Obama doing it because you agreed with his message.

You are against trump and mad e a thread saying how terrible it was for trump to give this speech because you dint agree with the message.

Unlike you are doing here, I never complained about Obama giving a speech, I just complained about the details of the speech.



What in the world are you talking about? I asked you to dig up some Oval office speeches by other presidents that are even in the realm of Trump's speech. Your response was "You answer yourself here." What???

Obama did not do anything like this so how am I ok with it?

The speeches you listed are typical of US presidents, conveying news of major events, just like I said in my OP. What Trump did was to reiterate crap he has already spewn multiple times in hopes of getting campaign donations by tricking his supporters into thinking they are helping to build the wall.

There really is no comparison.


Its your opinion this was unique because you dont like the content of the speech.

For example, we heard almost everything Obama said about his healthcare pitch before his oval office address.

Your argument is basically "Trump mostly repeated thing I heard and so this is a uniquely bad speech that shouldnt have been aired"

Your bias is making you say that.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:18 PM
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What difference does it make if a speech in from the Oval Office ?

🇧🇸



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:18 PM
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Some perspective:
Source from 2013


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