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Barack Obama, what an idiot.

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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 03:07 PM
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They haven't evolved, their base just moved sharply to the left, data has shown as much. All of these videos just show that these Dems have ZERO principles. They're just playing to their base instead of doing actual good for their constituents.




posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: network dude

This video was taken before he had his de-Kenyanization techniques applied to lighten his skin, lips, and grey his hair.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: network dude

Donald Trump and supporters are idiots, not Barack Obama. I didn't agree with everything he did, be he comported himself with dignity. Trump is a retarded clown who sully's the office with every twitter from his twithole.


Yeah, Obama showed real dignity killing women and children with drones and then bragging about it. He showed real dignity when his actions caused a border patrol agent to be killed with guns he gave to drug cartels.

Obama did all kinds of things and the list is real long. But dignity? Not even a small amount of dignity. For even saying what you said shows a very low self worth on your part and a disregard for reality. But this makes sense, because to claim Obama had dignity requires a complete disregard for reality.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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The wall will be ineffective.... We've been down this road several times with this sentiment. Ask those that spent some years in prison how ineffective their wall was. You think those guys just choose to stay in prison? Please do tell, how ineffective is the wall that Israel built? Does 99% sound familiar?

Do you think its just gonna be a plain ass wall with no other security measures in place?

If so then what leads you to believe the wall wouldn't include other security measures such as ground vibration detection for diggers, cameras with motion sensors and possibly even facial recognition technology for climbers, passive alert mechanisms/software to alert nearest officials etc etc etc? there is a ton of inexpensive stuff that can be implemented that would be very effective at keeping people out.

I would love to hear your response directly to these questions and this post.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Extorris

If you disagree with the border wall, but support stronger borders, super, tell us what you suggest and perhaps that idea might be a better option.


First, what is the goal? what problem is being solved?

President Trumps claim about drug flow is nonsense.

90% of all illegal drugs in the US enter through A) a port of entry B) Shipped from labs in Asia/China C) By Sea.

Right now the DEA and Coast Guard says that they only have manpower to intercept 25% of the Sea Traffic of drugs that they are aware of via Radar and intelligence. They literally let 75% of sea drug traffic go because they don't have the resources to intercept.

So if it is drugs? Better screening technology and more agents to do inspections at points of entry and more resources funding for Coast Guard/DEA.

Border Fencing?

The US border with Mexico is 2000 Miles.
About 700 miles of it already has fencing.
Upgrade if useful, but otherwise TECHNOLOGY.

Drones are less expensive, they can patrol vast regions and automatically return to station to recharge and they can cycle so there is constant coverage. They can also send precise GPS coordinates to Border Patrol agents along with continuing to track migrants and include imagery so agents know what to be prepared for. Drastically less expensive and more practical than "wall".

Those are just a couple of ideas.

But more to the point, the Trump administration is asking for 5 billion dollars without and specifications or plan for how the money will be spent.

That is never going to happen, nor should it with Taxpayer dollars.

He is asking for the money, he should have a plan.

Can you imagine him ever giving 5 Billion for a real estate project without seeing any plans? Just someone asking him for the money and saying "We want to build a building!!" "Give it to me!".



posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: LordAhriman

No, he was talking about being tough on illegal immigration and how it hurts the country.

For some reason today that stance is immoral.


No it's not. A symbolic wall is though. Trump wants a wall for everlasting fame. A monument of him that could last centuries. Its effectiveness against illegal immigration would be so minuscule, that it's not worth it.

We all want border security. A wall is barely security. That said, I'm all for it if he can get Mexico to pay for it.

The wall will be ineffective.... We've been down this road several times with this sentiment. Ask those that spent some years in prison how ineffective their wall was. You think those guys just choose to stay in prison? Please do tell, how ineffective is the wall that Israel built? Does 99% sound familiar?

Do you think its just gonna be a plain ass wall with no other security measures in place?

If so then what leads you to believe the wall wouldn't include other security measures such as ground vibration detection for diggers, cameras with motion sensors and possibly even facial recognition technology for climbers, passive alert mechanisms/software to alert nearest officials etc etc etc? there is a ton of inexpensive stuff that can be implemented that would be very effective at keeping people out.

I would love to hear your response directly to these questions and this post.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude

I've said time and again I didn't support Obama's immigration policy. I also remember plenty of people on the Right criticizing him for it.

So which is it? Is Trump's immigration policy lacking or was Obama's policy actually sufficient and you all hated him because of the letter next to his name?


Nothing Obama did was sufficient, and sufficiency should never be a standard to which a president be held to.
You either fix the issue or you don’t, there is no middle ground. Complacency kills.
edit on 11-1-2019 by MConnalley because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: MConnalley

It must be nice to live in such a black and white world. Either that or it's completely horrible. I can't decide. It kind of falls in a gray area.



posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Extorris

If you disagree with the border wall, but support stronger borders, super, tell us what you suggest and perhaps that idea might be a better option.


First, what is the goal? what problem is being solved?





I am not currently employed by the Border patrol, but this guy is, or has some direct contact with them, so let's hear what he has to say:
www.npr.org...




STEVE INSKEEP, HOST: When President Trump spoke to people at the Department of Homeland Security yesterday, Brandon Judd was in the audience. He's president of the union that represents U.S. Border Patrol agents, the National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Trump during the campaign. He was present to hear the president say he's going ahead with building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border, among other immigration measures, and he's in our studio this morning. Mr. Judd, welcome back to the program.

BRANDON JUDD: Good morning, Steve.

INSKEEP: So how different is the border going to be assuming that the president's orders are carried out here?

JUDD: I don't think it's going to be - well, OK, it's going to be a lot more secure. But what we're talking about is we're talking about a wall in strategic locations. We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better.

INSKEEP: Because there are some places that are so sparsely populated and the ground is so fierce or so harsh you really don't need...

JUDD: Correct, correct.

INSKEEP: So you've told us when you were on the program last time that about 10 to 15 percent of the border has serious fences in your view and maybe you'd double that under this proposal.

JUDD: That's what I'm thinking. Again, I don't have the exact specifics of what they're going to do, but I do know that they're looking in specific places like Laredo, Texas, where we have very, very little walls. Yet, the state that Laredo, Texas, borders is extremely violent. And so we're looking in locations like that. They're looking in locations like that, but I think it's going to be very effective.

INSKEEP: What have you made of the really visceral response to this, the negative response to this from many people in the United States as well as from Mexico?

JUDD: Well, I can understand, but you - but, Steve, you have to understand there's a lot of rhetoric out there and a lot of what's being put out there - I mean, I've heard that this is a racist wall. This isn't a racist wall. We're not talking about keeping out legal immigrants. We're talking about keeping out illegal immigrants, and it has nothing to do with race because we get people from all - from everywhere. We get people from Russia who are white that cross the border illegally. And so this isn't a racist wall. This is about the security and safety of the United States.

INSKEEP: Although some people have pointed out nobody is talking about a wall on the Canadian border.

JUDD: No, but we don't have the same problems on the Canadian border. In fact, that's where I work right now. I work on the Canadian border, and we just don't have the same number of people crossing the Canadian border illegally like what we do on the southwest border. It's a lot cheaper to go down to Mexico and cross the southwest border.

INSKEEP: What do you think about the president's effort to compel, if he can, local and state authorities to be more helpful to the Border Patrol and immigration authorities in doing their jobs and rounding up people who are here illegally?

JUDD: Well - so my understanding is that he's not compelling them to help us round them up. But what he is saying is if they come in contact, if a police officer, say, from Phoenix Police Department - if a police officer from the Phoenix, Ariz., police department comes in contact with somebody that he knows is here or suspects that is here illegally, then his responsibility is to contact an immigration enforcement officer to come in and find out. It's the same with me. As a Border Patrol agent, if I make a vehicle stop and I find that illegal activity is taking place outside of the laws that I enforce...


this was a good interview, and it does answer some of your questions. what is your response?




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