Barack Obama, what an idiot.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude

I've said time and again I didn't support Obama's immigration policy. I also remember plenty of people on the Right criticizing him for it.

So which is it? Is Trump's immigration policy lacking or was Obama's policy actually sufficient and you all hated him because of the letter next to his name?

Obama wanted amnesty for those illegals already here without first securing the border, how does that exactly work? We did that once under Reagan and it sure didn't solve the problem of illegal immigration did it?

I seriously doubt you will find many Republicans against E-verify. Even a path to eventual citizenship for DACA people. But first you have to shut off the valve of illegal immigration. That's step one, stop the continual flow of illegal immigration.

We need comprehensive immigration reform and it can happen if we secure the border first.

You think Trump and Republicans will say yes to a real effort at a "Wall" and all the other things that go with that, stopping the flow of illegals, but not for E-verify and some DACA solution? I got news for you, the vast majority of Republicans are for ALL of that.

We don't need to open the borders to everyone who just shows up and crosses our borders. There are systems in place and reform of legal immigration is also needed as part of a comprehensive immigration reform/policy.

But have we tried the Japanese method?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: bastion
It's pretty stupid to think hundred billion dollar industries like human and drug trafficking will disappear because of a wall. It may see a decrease for a month if built but would be rendered useless after that.

By all means crack down on illegal immigration, drugs and major crime but don't waste the money on cheap political soundbites and ineffective measures.

How will the wall's effectiveness fail after about a month? Please share your predictions about that so you can improve that wall so it won't fail in one month.

Ladders, tunnels, boats, planes, drones, visa overstays etc all exist to render one useless - any land based trafficking will just shift to that.

Instead of wasting the money on a static wall, invest it in people who can adapt to new challenges and changes.

Politicians. They're all self serving bastards. The end.

The Senator who changes a law so little Jimmy can be cured of cancer and mankind can advance is only in Hollywood Films.

If only we would save ourselves. But nope, see you at the next election where we just repeat the cycle of Oligarchies and internet bitching.

We can complain some more about the people we choose to elect and pay to screw us. It never gets old.

Left, Right you're equally screwed. When are you going to get it?

a reply to: network dude

Donald Trump and supporters are idiots, not Barack Obama. I didn't agree with everything he did, be he comported himself with dignity. Trump is a retarded clown who sully's the office with every twitter from his twithole.

Sean Hannity showed clips of Pelosi Schumer and Clinton and I think one of Obama all with their pro border security speeches during the Obama admin side by side with their anti border wall remarks against Trump. It’s sheer hatred of Trump. Democrats voted to fund border security during Obama era. They are a bunch of hypocrites. They simply will not give Trump an inch of support even if it was the right thing to do. And people keep voting for anyone with a D by their name, even radicals who curse out our President the minute they are onstage.

originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: network dude

Donald Trump and supporters are idiots, not Barack Obama. I didn't agree with everything he did, be he comported himself with dignity. Trump is a retarded clown who sully's the office with every twitter from his twithole.

Oh of course, O had dignity while he was selling our uranium to Russia and using the fisa Court and 3 letter agency to set up his rival. Also he was so very dignified while he was giving Microsoft and Bill Gates free rein to further destroy the minds of our children, and while he was giving money to Iran and while he was destroying healthcare and gun running with Mexican cartels and facilitating an Islamic takeover. Yep so dignified.

a reply to: network dude

Where did President Obama suggest anything as inane as a concrete wall across the southern border as a solution?

What do you believe is inconsistent in that video?

The bill Democrats proposed last month included 1.6 Billion for additional border security and the GOP agreed.

It did not include funds for a concrete wall, which no one educated on the issue takes seriously.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: bastion
It's pretty stupid to think hundred billion dollar industries like human and drug trafficking will disappear because of a wall. It may see a decrease for a month if built but would be rendered useless after that.

By all means crack down on illegal immigration, drugs and major crime but don't waste the money on cheap political soundbites and ineffective measures.

How will the wall's effectiveness fail after about a month? Please share your predictions about that so you can improve that wall so it won't fail in one month.

Ladders, tunnels, boats, planes, drones, visa overstays etc all exist to render one useless - any land based trafficking will just shift to that.

It shifted years ago.

90% of the illegal drug flow comes through either ports of entry (trucks, cars, planes) or sea.

Right now the coast guard reports that they only have the manpower to intercept 25% of the boats they know to be trafficking drugs.

The bill signed off on by GOP and Dems last month gave an additional 1.6 Billion in border security, it just didn't include money to build President Trump's grossly ineffective and expensive campaign stunt.

President Trump should personally fund 100 yards of concrete wall on the border so that he can use it as a backdrop for his 2020 campaign speeches and everyone can call it a day and move on to grown up problem solving.

a reply to: kaylaluv
Listen to yourself. Hard working illegals. Yea keeps your produce cheap. What you are advocating is low wages so you can eat cheaper. Slavery. Shame on you!! Spank yourself and find a safe room so you can scream at yourself.

Barack Obama, what an idiot.

That's an insult to idiots.

There's a special place reserved in hell for Obama.

Just saying.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: bastion
It's pretty stupid to think hundred billion dollar industries like human and drug trafficking will disappear because of a wall. It may see a decrease for a month if built but would be rendered useless after that.

By all means crack down on illegal immigration, drugs and major crime but don't waste the money on cheap political soundbites and ineffective measures.

How will the wall's effectiveness fail after about a month? Please share your predictions about that so you can improve that wall so it won't fail in one month.

Ladders, tunnels, boats, planes, drones, visa overstays etc all exist to render one useless - any land based trafficking will just shift to that.

Instead of wasting the money on a static wall, invest it in people who can adapt to new challenges and changes.

So we shouldn't even attempt to stop the flow of Illegal Immigrants? Is that your argument?

I'll bite, how should we invest in people who can adapt to new challenges and changes and who exactly are you referring to.

Tell me how and how much money it will take for your system of stopping illegal immigration?

Can't wait for your response.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
I have not had a dose of so correct in a long time. Bingo. Gave Networkdude S&F wishing I could give you one!!!!

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: Propagandalf


what's more effective spending billions on a wall (that's not even continuous) or spending it on man power, technology, and reform?

are we in a crisis?

are you aware of what the people who's job it is to protect the border have to say about this?

www.quora.com...

The first thing necessary to do to have a rational discussion is define the terms used. Not every term means the same thing to everyone. Wall = a physical barrier of some type. It could be a fence or some other impediment to entry by people or vehicles. Border Patrolmen want a physical barrier to slow things down. A fence is better than a “WALL”. You need to be able to see what’s happening on the other side. You wouldn’t want the opposition parking a truck bomb up against the Wall and you not being able to see it Controlling illegal immigration will require a “three-legged stool type solution. Like the “Nuclear Triad” of the Cold War”. A nuclear triad refers to the nuclear weapons delivery of a strategic nuclear arsenal which consists of three components: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), strategic bombers, and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The illegal immigration triad would also consist of three components: A physical barrier and the manpower to respond to intrusions, an E-Verify system to prevent the employment of illegal workers and a sufficiently staffed Judicial System to speedily prosecute violators. The absence of any one of these three legs dooms the project to failure.

If you can show me why your credentials offer more credence than this man, I'll give your opinion more thought. Until then, pfft. Whatevah.

originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: network dude

Donald Trump and supporters are idiots, not Barack Obama. I didn't agree with everything he did, be he comported himself with dignity. Trump is a retarded clown who sully's the office with every twitter from his twithole.

that's nice and all, but how do you rectify the FACT that both Trump and Obama wanted the exact same thing, and when Obama wanted it, the left loved it, and now the Trump wants it, the left is dead set against it? If you answer, TDS, then good, you would be honest at least. But at least you didn't comprehend the OP, so you have that going for you.

originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: network dude

Where did President Obama suggest anything as inane as a concrete wall across the southern border as a solution?

What do you believe is inconsistent in that video?

The bill Democrats proposed last month included 1.6 Billion for additional border security and the GOP agreed.

It did not include funds for a concrete wall, which no one educated on the issue takes seriously.

The first thing necessary to do to have a rational discussion is define the terms used. Not every term means the same thing to everyone.

Wall = a physical barrier of some type. It could be a fence or some other impediment to entry by people or vehicles. Border Patrolmen want a physical barrier to slow things down. A fence is better than a “WALL”. You need to be able to see what’s happening on the other side. You wouldn’t want the opposition parking a truck bomb up against the Wall and you not being able to see it Controlling illegal immigration will require a “three-legged stool type solution. Like the “Nuclear Triad” of the Cold War”. A nuclear triad refers to the nuclear weapons delivery of a strategic nuclear arsenal which consists of three components: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), strategic bombers, and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The illegal immigration triad would also consist of three components: A physical barrier and the manpower to respond to intrusions, an E-Verify system to prevent the employment of illegal workers and a sufficiently staffed Judicial System to speedily prosecute violators. The absence of any one of these three legs dooms the project to failure.

did you see the bold part? The people who protect the border every day, EVERY DAY, say then need a barrier to slow things down. They know it's not the perfect fix, but it's a step in the right direction. And coupled with the other things they mentioned, it has a chance to work. One thing is for sure, doing nothing will produce no different results than in the past.

a reply to: Bluntone22

in other words a sell out .....

The first thing necessary to do to have a rational discussion is define the terms used. Not every term means the same thing to everyone.

Wall = a physical barrier of some type. It could be a fence or some other impediment to entry by people or vehicles. Border Patrolmen want a physical barrier to slow things down. A fence is better than a “WALL”. You need to be able to see what’s happening on the other side. You wouldn’t want the opposition parking a truck bomb up against the Wall and you not being able to see it Controlling illegal immigration will require a “three-legged stool type solution. Like the “Nuclear Triad” of the Cold War”. A nuclear triad refers to the nuclear weapons delivery of a strategic nuclear arsenal which consists of three components: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), strategic bombers, and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The illegal immigration triad would also consist of three components: A physical barrier and the manpower to respond to intrusions, an E-Verify system to prevent the employment of illegal workers and a sufficiently staffed Judicial System to speedily prosecute violators. The absence of any one of these three legs dooms the project to failure.

originally posted by: network dude
did you see the bold part? The people who protect the border every day, EVERY DAY, say then need a barrier to slow things down.

You seem to be trying to conflate a "Wall" with a "Fence".

President Trump seems to be trying the same thing to preserve what little credibility he has left with his base.

Let's ask him what the difference is.

Aug. 25, 2015: 'It's not a fence'
As the Republican primary campaign heated up, Trump clapped back at former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush for calling the barrier a fence.

"Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a 'fence.' It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!" he said.

...

Dec. 2, 2015: 'It's going to be made of hardened concrete'
"What are the walls going to made of?" asked a boy held aloft by Trump on stage a campaign rally in Virginia.

"I'll tell you what it's going to be made of. It's going to be made of hardened concrete, and it's going to be made out of rebar and steel."

Now, after a painful two years of eduction where border patrol has repeatedly explained to him how stupid an idea a wall is, he is working hard to save face.

"See though wall"

Trump Dec 31 2018
experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through (thereby making it possible to see what is happening on both sides). Makes sense to me!"

www.usatoday.com...

I love that. "Build that see-through wall!!"

Normal people call that a fence.

That said, his plan includes no explanation on how the money would be spent or where, what vendors would be involved etc.

He is just saying "give me money for wall!!".

Considering he is still waffling as of last week about what he actually is going to build Wall vs. Fence and has provided no plans for how the money would actually be spent or distributed, he shouldn't be given Billions of taxpayer's dollars without a plan in place and justification. Considering it took him two years to begin to understand his own wall idea was stupid, I won't hold my breath for an actual plan being put together.

The Dems signed off on 1.6 Billion in additional Border Security funds, earmarked for more border patrol, upgrading technology, repairing "fences" where needed, expanded port security where most of the drugs actually come in etc.
A plan based on what border security professionals asked for.

Taxpayers should never be on the hook for ill-informed campaign stunts and certainly not to the tune of 20 Billion plus.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude

I've said time and again I didn't support Obama's immigration policy. I also remember plenty of people on the Right criticizing him for it.

So which is it? Is Trump's immigration policy lacking or was Obama's policy actually sufficient and you all hated him because of the letter next to his name?

Nice try at switching and deflecting the obvious hypocrisy of the Democrats.
Not good enough, though.

a reply to: Extorris

He has evolved in his ideas. let me ask you this, as candidate Donald Trump, how much knowledge do you think the IC offered him into the real things that were going on? Do you think they briefed him daily, weekly? Or not at all? So before he became president, he knew as much as you or I. We all have nice ideas, but unless we have ALL the information, we likely would make bad decisions on things of this importance.

Now, knowing that, and unless you disagree with that, my post explained what the experts wanted. What the experts who deal with this very topic, every day, have to say about it and what they think will work. Trump promised a wall. A big beautiful wall. Once he was briefed on what the Border Patrol really wanted, his ideas evolved, and when new information arises, I bet he will again, evolve.

Would you rather he doesn't change when given new data?

And just so you are aware of how I feel, Trump is an jerk, he arrogant, he lies, and he says some dumb things. He is EXACTLY the guy he was when he did his reality TV shows and had sex with porn stars and Playboy centerfolds. But, he was elected because he seemed to be on the same page as the regular folks in this country. He at the very least, talked like he understood what the regular folks wanted. THAT is what got him elected. And in that process, he made campaign promises. Since he wasn't a career politician, he wasn't smart enough to know you don't have to honor those, you just use them as a way to get what you want. Like Hope and Change. he is actually trying to fulfill what he promised. And his base is happy about that. So like it or not, he is doing what he said he would do, and trying really hard to do the things he has yet to accomplish.

Now, the people who know, said they need some things changed. Trump is trying to give them the tools needed to change things and fix them. It's really obvious the left just wants to subvert him in any way possible. If they would just admit that, at the very least, they would have a tiny bit of integrity. As of now, they have none.

If you disagree with the border wall, but support stronger borders, super, tell us what you suggest and perhaps that idea might be a better option. But just blubbering about how bad Donald is, how orange he is, and how much you wish Obama was your daddy, isn't going to get it done. Be part of the solution, and not part of the problem.