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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude
I've said time and again I didn't support Obama's immigration policy. I also remember plenty of people on the Right criticizing him for it.
So which is it? Is Trump's immigration policy lacking or was Obama's policy actually sufficient and you all hated him because of the letter next to his name?
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: bastion
It's pretty stupid to think hundred billion dollar industries like human and drug trafficking will disappear because of a wall. It may see a decrease for a month if built but would be rendered useless after that.
By all means crack down on illegal immigration, drugs and major crime but don't waste the money on cheap political soundbites and ineffective measures.
How will the wall's effectiveness fail after about a month? Please share your predictions about that so you can improve that wall so it won't fail in one month.
Oh of course, O had dignity while he was selling our uranium to Russia and using the fisa Court and 3 letter agency to set up his rival. Also he was so very dignified while he was giving Microsoft and Bill Gates free rein to further destroy the minds of our children, and while he was giving money to Iran and while he was destroying healthcare and gun running with Mexican cartels and facilitating an Islamic takeover. Yep so dignified.
originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: network dude
Donald Trump and supporters are idiots, not Barack Obama. I didn't agree with everything he did, be he comported himself with dignity. Trump is a retarded clown who sully's the office with every twitter from his twithole.
originally posted by: bastion
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: bastion
It's pretty stupid to think hundred billion dollar industries like human and drug trafficking will disappear because of a wall. It may see a decrease for a month if built but would be rendered useless after that.
By all means crack down on illegal immigration, drugs and major crime but don't waste the money on cheap political soundbites and ineffective measures.
How will the wall's effectiveness fail after about a month? Please share your predictions about that so you can improve that wall so it won't fail in one month.
Ladders, tunnels, boats, planes, drones, visa overstays etc all exist to render one useless - any land based trafficking will just shift to that.
originally posted by: bastion
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: bastion
It's pretty stupid to think hundred billion dollar industries like human and drug trafficking will disappear because of a wall. It may see a decrease for a month if built but would be rendered useless after that.
By all means crack down on illegal immigration, drugs and major crime but don't waste the money on cheap political soundbites and ineffective measures.
How will the wall's effectiveness fail after about a month? Please share your predictions about that so you can improve that wall so it won't fail in one month.
Ladders, tunnels, boats, planes, drones, visa overstays etc all exist to render one useless - any land based trafficking will just shift to that.
Instead of wasting the money on a static wall, invest it in people who can adapt to new challenges and changes.
originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: Propagandalf
what's more effective spending billions on a wall (that's not even continuous) or spending it on man power, technology, and reform?
are we in a crisis?
The first thing necessary to do to have a rational discussion is define the terms used. Not every term means the same thing to everyone. Wall = a physical barrier of some type. It could be a fence or some other impediment to entry by people or vehicles. Border Patrolmen want a physical barrier to slow things down. A fence is better than a “WALL”. You need to be able to see what’s happening on the other side. You wouldn’t want the opposition parking a truck bomb up against the Wall and you not being able to see it Controlling illegal immigration will require a “three-legged stool type solution. Like the “Nuclear Triad” of the Cold War”. A nuclear triad refers to the nuclear weapons delivery of a strategic nuclear arsenal which consists of three components: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), strategic bombers, and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The illegal immigration triad would also consist of three components: A physical barrier and the manpower to respond to intrusions, an E-Verify system to prevent the employment of illegal workers and a sufficiently staffed Judicial System to speedily prosecute violators. The absence of any one of these three legs dooms the project to failure.
originally posted by: richapau
a reply to: network dude
Donald Trump and supporters are idiots, not Barack Obama. I didn't agree with everything he did, be he comported himself with dignity. Trump is a retarded clown who sully's the office with every twitter from his twithole.
originally posted by: Extorris
a reply to: network dude
Where did President Obama suggest anything as inane as a concrete wall across the southern border as a solution?
What do you believe is inconsistent in that video?
The bill Democrats proposed last month included 1.6 Billion for additional border security and the GOP agreed.
It did not include funds for a concrete wall, which no one educated on the issue takes seriously.
The first thing necessary to do to have a rational discussion is define the terms used. Not every term means the same thing to everyone.
Wall = a physical barrier of some type. It could be a fence or some other impediment to entry by people or vehicles. Border Patrolmen want a physical barrier to slow things down. A fence is better than a “WALL”. You need to be able to see what’s happening on the other side. You wouldn’t want the opposition parking a truck bomb up against the Wall and you not being able to see it Controlling illegal immigration will require a “three-legged stool type solution. Like the “Nuclear Triad” of the Cold War”. A nuclear triad refers to the nuclear weapons delivery of a strategic nuclear arsenal which consists of three components: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), strategic bombers, and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The illegal immigration triad would also consist of three components: A physical barrier and the manpower to respond to intrusions, an E-Verify system to prevent the employment of illegal workers and a sufficiently staffed Judicial System to speedily prosecute violators. The absence of any one of these three legs dooms the project to failure.
The first thing necessary to do to have a rational discussion is define the terms used. Not every term means the same thing to everyone.
Wall = a physical barrier of some type. It could be a fence or some other impediment to entry by people or vehicles. Border Patrolmen want a physical barrier to slow things down. A fence is better than a “WALL”. You need to be able to see what’s happening on the other side. You wouldn’t want the opposition parking a truck bomb up against the Wall and you not being able to see it Controlling illegal immigration will require a “three-legged stool type solution. Like the “Nuclear Triad” of the Cold War”. A nuclear triad refers to the nuclear weapons delivery of a strategic nuclear arsenal which consists of three components: land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), strategic bombers, and submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The illegal immigration triad would also consist of three components: A physical barrier and the manpower to respond to intrusions, an E-Verify system to prevent the employment of illegal workers and a sufficiently staffed Judicial System to speedily prosecute violators. The absence of any one of these three legs dooms the project to failure.
originally posted by: network dude
did you see the bold part? The people who protect the border every day, EVERY DAY, say then need a barrier to slow things down.
Aug. 25, 2015: 'It's not a fence'
As the Republican primary campaign heated up, Trump clapped back at former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush for calling the barrier a fence.
"Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a 'fence.' It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!" he said.
...
Dec. 2, 2015: 'It's going to be made of hardened concrete'
"What are the walls going to made of?" asked a boy held aloft by Trump on stage a campaign rally in Virginia.
"I'll tell you what it's going to be made of. It's going to be made of hardened concrete, and it's going to be made out of rebar and steel."
Trump Dec 31 2018
experts at Border Patrol prefer a Wall that is see through (thereby making it possible to see what is happening on both sides). Makes sense to me!"
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: network dude
I've said time and again I didn't support Obama's immigration policy. I also remember plenty of people on the Right criticizing him for it.
So which is it? Is Trump's immigration policy lacking or was Obama's policy actually sufficient and you all hated him because of the letter next to his name?