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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Extorris

I understand the definition of conflate.

I am asking you point blank; those that were at this rally worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it, were they racist or xenophobic?



??????

"worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it"

While you seem comfortable knowing the hearts of strangers half way across the globe, I prefer not to claim that brand of clairvoyance.

Your focus seem to jump around erratically. I am not sure what this odd question has to do with whether someone's race or ethnicity should warrant special treatment or scrutiny by law enforcement.




posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

But that assumes people no all of the background of the group putting on the rally.

Many people probably feel their voivce is not being heard, because to even speak on these issues many times they are called racsit.

So they go to a rally with like minded people..

Some of those people may be scum bags, but that doesnt mean all are.

Again, we see this all the time.

Imagine being at a rally for blacks in the US, when large groups start chanting pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon.

Does that mean everyone there is a scum bag advocating violence? No.

Imagine going to a womans march not knowing that one of the leaders, Linda Sarsour once claimed that a woman named Hirsi Ali who was a victim of female genital mutilation should have her vagina taken away, and has made many anti semitic comments.

I think it is wrong to ignore the message all of these people have because they must be bad by associating with terrible people.




In this case it was a rally organised by far right groups. They weren't just there as speakers

I suspect ( and this is purely an opinion) that a large proportion of those present are members of those groups. Attendance seems to have been pretty small.

People shouldn't be called racist just for having concerns about racism. However on this site I see far more instances of people claiming it happens than it actually happening. See this thread for an example.

What doesn't help those with legitimate concerns is defending outright racists like Cordell just because they have some overlap in concerns.


But who is defending him?

Go back in the thread? before any of his words or past were put up, we had people exclaiming the rally was "100% nazi"

So people said whoa, I doont see that. I didnt hear any nazi slogans, or comments. In fact the video actaully showed them expressedly saying they werent nazis.

Yet despite that, we were told it was 100 percent nazi.

This is a way of silencing opinions.

Again, the womans march we now know was formed by anti semites from the beggining like Sarsour.

Should we condemn all of our moms and sisters that attended it as anti semites and not listen to the reasons they had for protesting?

Meanwhile sarsour is posing with congresspeople as recenlty as two days ago.

Yet where are the cries of racsim to shut down those people?

The selective applicatrion of guilt by association further proves this is being done for political reasons to silence opinions that hurt one sides narrative.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

But that assumes people no all of the background of the group putting on the rally.

Many people probably feel their voivce is not being heard, because to even speak on these issues many times they are called racsit.

So they go to a rally with like minded people..

Some of those people may be scum bags, but that doesnt mean all are.

Again, we see this all the time.

Imagine being at a rally for blacks in the US, when large groups start chanting pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon.

Does that mean everyone there is a scum bag advocating violence? No.

Imagine going to a womans march not knowing that one of the leaders, Linda Sarsour once claimed that a woman named Hirsi Ali who was a victim of female genital mutilation should have her vagina taken away, and has made many anti semitic comments.

I think it is wrong to ignore the message all of these people have because they must be bad by associating with terrible people.




In this case it was a rally organised by far right groups. They weren't just there as speakers

I suspect ( and this is purely an opinion) that a large proportion of those present are members of those groups. Attendance seems to have been pretty small.

People shouldn't be called racist just for having concerns about racism. However on this site I see far more instances of people claiming it happens than it actually happening. See this thread for an example.

What doesn't help those with legitimate concerns is defending outright racists like Cordell just because they have some overlap in concerns.


But who is defending him?

Go back in the thread? before any of his words or past were put up, we had people exclaiming the rally was "100% nazi"

So people said whoa, I doont see that. I didnt hear any nazi slogans, or comments. In fact the video actaully showed them expressedly saying they werent nazis.

Yet despite that, we were told it was 100 percent nazi.

This is a way of silencing opinions.

Again, the womans march we now know was formed by anti semites from the beggining like Sarsour.

Should we condemn all of our moms and sisters that attended it as anti semites and not listen to the reasons they had for protesting?

Meanwhile sarsour is posing with congresspeople as recenlty as two days ago.

Yet where are the cries of racsim to shut down those people?

The selective applicatrion of guilt by association further proves this is being done for political reasons to silence opinions that hurt one sides narrative.


The whole thread is based round defending him.

In this thread links have provided showing this guys history, basing your view of his level of racism on a video posted by someone supporting him seems a little bit naive.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Extorris

I understand the definition of conflate.

I am asking you point blank; those that were at this rally worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it, were they racist or xenophobic?



??????

"worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it"

While you seem comfortable knowing the hearts of strangers half way across the globe, I prefer not to claim that brand of clairvoyance.

Your focus seem to jump around erratically. I am not sure what this odd question has to do with whether someone's race or ethnicity should warrant special treatment or scrutiny by law enforcement.




So your are uncomfortable knowing the hearts of strangers, but have no problem saying those that conflate country of orgin with crime are racist?

What was the point of your post then?

I said "But we see how labeling this guy a nazi, even if true, is then quickly applied to everyone who was at the rally who is worried about migrant crime, thereby quashing any discussion."

You responded with a post that said conflating race with crime can make you a racist.

So it seems like you are saying the rally attendees, which I was discussing and you responded to, were the ones conflating the issue and behaving in a racist xenophobic manner.

The entire discussion you responded to was about unfairly labeling people racist, particularly in this rally.

will you then agree with me that posters saying everyone at this rally is racist has no way of knowing that, and therefore should smear people like that?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: ScepticScot

But that assumes people no all of the background of the group putting on the rally.

Many people probably feel their voivce is not being heard, because to even speak on these issues many times they are called racsit.

So they go to a rally with like minded people..

Some of those people may be scum bags, but that doesnt mean all are.

Again, we see this all the time.

Imagine being at a rally for blacks in the US, when large groups start chanting pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon.

Does that mean everyone there is a scum bag advocating violence? No.

Imagine going to a womans march not knowing that one of the leaders, Linda Sarsour once claimed that a woman named Hirsi Ali who was a victim of female genital mutilation should have her vagina taken away, and has made many anti semitic comments.

I think it is wrong to ignore the message all of these people have because they must be bad by associating with terrible people.




In this case it was a rally organised by far right groups. They weren't just there as speakers

I suspect ( and this is purely an opinion) that a large proportion of those present are members of those groups. Attendance seems to have been pretty small.

People shouldn't be called racist just for having concerns about racism. However on this site I see far more instances of people claiming it happens than it actually happening. See this thread for an example.

What doesn't help those with legitimate concerns is defending outright racists like Cordell just because they have some overlap in concerns.


But who is defending him?

Go back in the thread? before any of his words or past were put up, we had people exclaiming the rally was "100% nazi"

So people said whoa, I doont see that. I didnt hear any nazi slogans, or comments. In fact the video actaully showed them expressedly saying they werent nazis.

Yet despite that, we were told it was 100 percent nazi.

This is a way of silencing opinions.

Again, the womans march we now know was formed by anti semites from the beggining like Sarsour.

Should we condemn all of our moms and sisters that attended it as anti semites and not listen to the reasons they had for protesting?

Meanwhile sarsour is posing with congresspeople as recenlty as two days ago.

Yet where are the cries of racsim to shut down those people?

The selective applicatrion of guilt by association further proves this is being done for political reasons to silence opinions that hurt one sides narrative.


The whole thread is based round defending him.

In this thread links have provided showing this guys history, basing your view of his level of racism on a video posted by someone supporting him seems a little bit naive.



My view of him isnt based around the intiaal video.

I said I dont know if the guy is an official nazi, but he seems like a scum bag.

Initially I knew nothing about the guy, only his words. I wasnt that impressed but made no comment.

My comment was to a poster that then said the rally was 100% nazi, when I could see absolutely no evoidence of that from the video of the rally provided.

I am not defending this guy at all. He look like a terrible person.

i hope thats clear, because I have people saying I am defending him on other threads. I am not.

I am merely interested in the tenancy to label anyone concerned with migrant problems a racist, which I saw on this thread and see quite often in this country as well.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Extorris

I understand the definition of conflate.

I am asking you point blank; those that were at this rally worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it, were they racist or xenophobic?



??????

"worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it"

While you seem comfortable knowing the hearts of strangers half way across the globe, I prefer not to claim that brand of clairvoyance.

Your focus seem to jump around erratically. I am not sure what this odd question has to do with whether someone's race or ethnicity should warrant special treatment or scrutiny by law enforcement.




So your are uncomfortable knowing the hearts of strangers, but have no problem saying those that conflate country of orgin with crime are racist?




Correct.

Ask me what is in the hearts of an audience member in a picture and I would never presume to know.

If that audience member was to say immigrants from Mexico are rapists and criminals, then they have expressed thier opinion on the topic and the mystery is no more.

Does that not make sense to you? This seems an odd conversation.



edit on 8-1-2019 by Extorris because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Extorris

I understand the definition of conflate.

I am asking you point blank; those that were at this rally worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it, were they racist or xenophobic?



??????

"worried about migrant crime and how the media and government deals with it"

While you seem comfortable knowing the hearts of strangers half way across the globe, I prefer not to claim that brand of clairvoyance.

Your focus seem to jump around erratically. I am not sure what this odd question has to do with whether someone's race or ethnicity should warrant special treatment or scrutiny by law enforcement.




So your are uncomfortable knowing the hearts of strangers, but have no problem saying those that conflate country of orgin with crime are racist?




Correct.

Ask me what is in the hearts of an audience member in a picture and I would never presume to know.

If that audience member was to say immigrants from Mexico are rapists and criminals, then they have expressed thier opinion on the topic and the mystery is no more.

Does that not make sense to you? This seems an odd conversation.




What if they said "There are rapist and criminals coming in illegally from mexico?" In other words they are not saying all mexican immigrants are, but there are some that indeed are.

And again, i dont understand what your stance has to do with my intial claim that everyone at the rally was being smeared as a racist.

So again, I will ask you, are you saying that you dont know the minds of those at the rally, therefore calling them all racist should be rejected?

If so we agree

We shouldnt call people racist without knowing, and people that think that all people from a particular area or ethnicity are criminals are racists.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: amraks

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: soundguy
Are the wanna be nazis having a sad because they are being called out for what they are? a reply to: mazzroth





The only reason this made the news is because one of our politicians was there at the protest and has been called out for it.


You mean They(The Media) called Fraser Anning out for it using different figures it started off as $3000 Then went to 10,000, its obvious The Mainstream Media have a agenda here.
Look at the poll and tell Me there is no problem with African Gangs when a majority of Australia can see it.
www.facebook.com...

I Seen the interview where The Presenter was trying to bait Fraser and got snappy when She got the wrong answers.
His a Independent Senator doesn't that mean He can do what ever He likes and doesn't have to tow a party line?

I didn't see the media start any polls on Senator Sarah Hanson-Young when She took Her sick Daughter to swim with dolphins with tax payer money.



Can you show me then all this evidence, surely if there's a big problem with African gangs there would be heaps of videos and heaps of testimonials from people?



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: poncho1982

Australia is really difficult to migrate to, you have to have money in the bank, a way to make a living etc, we do accept some migrants as part of some displacement deal I am not sure of those numbers though.

These guys complaining are basically fanatics, they are being labelled Nazi because they are a bunch of racist rednecks.

Crime is not getting out of hand that is utter bollocks.


Wouldn't be in the government's best interest to report that crime is getting out of hand, now would it.




Also isn't media fake news, like all the anti Trump media right it's all fake, or is our media truthful and honest, but wait you think the media is hiding stats for the government.... I just keep up with the flip flopping with you lot, so which is it?
edit on 8-1-2019 by hopenotfeariswhatweneed because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: amraks

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: soundguy
Are the wanna be nazis having a sad because they are being called out for what they are? a reply to: mazzroth





The only reason this made the news is because one of our politicians was there at the protest and has been called out for it.


Look at the poll and tell Me there is no problem with African Gangs when a majority of Australia can see it.


I live in the Eastern suburbs of Melbourne and can tell you it's rare to even see a African person, let alone ever witness any criminal behaviour by them. Although, my Dad until recently did own a hotel in Footscray and has some crazy stories about the issues he had with Sudanese refugees.

But Guess what? The western suburbs have always been a total s# hole... long before the Sudanese refugees ever started rocking up.


Why arent you guys letting more in? And why are you letting them live in the s#hole areas?!



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: poncho1982

Australia is really difficult to migrate to, you have to have money in the bank, a way to make a living etc, we do accept some migrants as part of some displacement deal I am not sure of those numbers though.

These guys complaining are basically fanatics, they are being labelled Nazi because they are a bunch of racist rednecks.

Crime is not getting out of hand that is utter bollocks.


Wouldn't be in the government's best interest to report that crime is getting out of hand, now would it.




Also isn't media fake news, like all the anti Trump media right it's all fake, or is our media truthful and honest, but wait you think the media is hiding stats for the government.... I just keep up with the flip flopping with you lot, so which is it?


You do realize the governments of the world issue statistics via their websites, outside of the media reporting on it, right?

Don't be dumb now.
edit on 8-1-2019 by Wardaddy454 because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 07:36 PM
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Sickened me reading this thread.

As most normal Australians know if you go to a Cottrel rally you are NOT going to a family finger painting class, it is basically a White Supremeicst Rally. But look how some of you jumped in pretty fast to support a White Supremacist POS rally that you know nothing about just because the OP heightened biases.

Cottral picks and chooses what bigoted flag to fly, brandishing a flavor of the month white supremacist catch cry in order to incite people susceptible to hatred.

Saddened by the replies, I can't imagine some of your supporting the rallies of David Duke back in the day, but this guy gets support because the OP played on xenophobia?

OP thanks for showing your colors. Promoting the disgusting lies of the Extremist Cottrel, unbelievable.



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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I'm so glad there are still people like you on this planet.

You can staple the facts to their foreheads, but people will mostly choose to only see what they want to see.

This is why I tend to make one post and move on these days. You just end up going around in circles trying to change the minds of people who are not open to, and have no intention of having them changed.

Alas, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

www.abc.net.au...

www.theaustralian.com.au... fffd4

I don't know why I bother providing facts to you lefties because you dont deal in them, you all just spout on about feelings and belief. Wake up and start eating some meat, you’re vegetarian diet is killing you physically and giving you a form retardation to truth.
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posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 11:36 PM
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I don't agree with the skin head point of view, however its just that, a point of view - when you have people out murdering, raping and committing acid attacks it needs to be stopped and if they are the only ones actually doing anything, screw everyone else and their "opinions" - talk is cheap, the safety of my family and loved ones isn't.
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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:16 AM
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a reply to: mazzroth

The real issue is young people that are disadvantaged and it's a worldwide epidemic not an Aussie one.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 02:19 AM
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a reply to: zazzafrazz

Here comes the leftist favorite word "xenophobia"

In Italy when Pamela Mastropietro was killed by African Migrants whom had ties with Nigerian organized Criminal gangs and majority of them Migrant no one in the west seemed to care about her death expect the locals and Italian people. Leftists in Italy as well just love using the word xenophobia whenever their agenda doesn't seem to be going their way.
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posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 06:14 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: mazzroth

The real issue is young people that are disadvantaged and it's a worldwide epidemic not an Aussie one.

Now that is fair.

The reasons for it often seem to stem from crazy Religious leaders of a large sect who supposedly hijacked the prophets intent even though he did say it was ok to rape and plunder for his god if the infidels will not capitulate to them.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: mazzroth

The real issue is young people that are disadvantaged and it's a worldwide epidemic not an Aussie one.

Now that is fair.

The reasons for it often seem to stem from crazy Religious leaders of a large sect who supposedly hijacked the prophets intent even though he did say it was ok to rape and plunder for his god if the infidels will not capitulate to them.




Anyone that tries to legitimize their evil behavior using justification from a higher power is a lowlife scumbag and should be outed as such, regardless of their religion.



posted on Jan, 9 2019 @ 07:13 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: amraks

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: soundguy
Are the wanna be nazis having a sad because they are being called out for what they are? a reply to: mazzroth





The only reason this made the news is because one of our politicians was there at the protest and has been called out for it.


You mean They(The Media) called Fraser Anning out for it using different figures it started off as $3000 Then went to 10,000, its obvious The Mainstream Media have a agenda here.
Look at the poll and tell Me there is no problem with African Gangs when a majority of Australia can see it.
www.facebook.com...

I Seen the interview where The Presenter was trying to bait Fraser and got snappy when She got the wrong answers.
His a Independent Senator doesn't that mean He can do what ever He likes and doesn't have to tow a party line?

I didn't see the media start any polls on Senator Sarah Hanson-Young when She took Her sick Daughter to swim with dolphins with tax payer money.



Can you show me then all this evidence, surely if there's a big problem with African gangs there would be heaps of videos and heaps of testimonials from people?


www.abc.net.au...

www.theage.com.au...

































Could post more videos of these incidents.







 
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