The failure to crowd-fund the wall

a reply to: Mahogany

Ridiculous, it managed to raise several million dollars. Private Citizens, who largely scrape by.. the ones most over-burdened by the out of control Government and taxes, think so much of President Trump's agenda that they're willing to give what they do have to build this wall.

We need the wall. We're going to get the wall. I am confident President Trump will do whatever it takes to win this for America, despite the left's efforts to thwart his America-first protect this country agenda.

This President doesn't bluff. Whether you like what he says or not, he has kept the promises he has made. As he said, Mexico is going to pay for this wall one way or the other. Whether we apply increased tariffs to defray the cost or we outright close the border or even redirect the money from foreign aid (all foreign aid, starting with least militarily significant foreign nations) the wall is going to get funded and folks are going to start respecting our sovereignty and our laws once again.

The left is absolutely desperate to see Trump's promise broken, because they are grasping for straws. We always have to hear them go on and on about "trusting the career professionals at such & such" or "he rejects his own CIA's assessment" yet Pelosi outright dismissed Sec. Neilson's actual facts and the Dem party as a whole are completely ignoring the career professionals at ICE and CBP who say that, among other significant security improvements, a physical barrier preventing entry is needed.

You won't "talk" us out of the wall. Conservatives don't respect talk. We respect action. And President Trump has already taken action, constructed part of the wall and, at the direction of career professionals at ICE/CBP, drawn a line in the sand and shut down largely Democrat occupying government agencies & offices. The Dems can end the shutdown at any point by simply giving America the border security resources it overwhelming wants to the career professionals who will decide what tools and emplacements best serve their mission of preventing illegal entry, prosecuting fraudulent asylum requests and managing genuine refugees from government State violence and persecution only

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Now shut up and build the wall already. I don't care who pays for it. Us, Mexico... Don't care. Just do it! That's something I'm happy to have MY taxes go towards.

The majority of America doesn't want Trump's pointless monument. The majority never did. I think it's you that needs to quit the basement ranting and go build it if you want it. It's totally ok, you don't even have to admit that Trump lied to you about having it paid for by Mexico. But don't be surprised when Trump takes credit for your wall though, even if you only get a few angry bricks laid down.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that one of the things Trump ran on? He did win, right?

Case closed...

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Now shut up and build the wall already. I don't care who pays for it. Us, Mexico... Don't care. Just do it! That's something I'm happy to have MY taxes go towards.

The majority of America doesn't want Trump's pointless monument. The majority never did. I think it's you that needs to quit the basement ranting and go build it if you want it. It's totally ok, you don't even have to admit that Trump lied to you about having it paid for by Mexico. But don't be surprised when Trump takes credit for your wall though, even if you only get a few angry bricks laid down.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that one of the things Trump ran on? He did win, right?

Case closed...

Not the majority (but you know that). And then the midterms happened. What happened to that big Red sweep we were supposed to see? And what happened to art of the deal? So... Trump couldn't make a deal (not even with his own party) so now his followers have make a failing attempt to build a monument to Trump for him? He's got enough monuments to feed his ego. He doesn't need yours. So... not case closed.

Also, Trump ran on a wall that Mexico was paying for (this was a promise of his to be exact). So again, not case closed.

a reply to: okrian

What happened to that big Red sweep we were supposed to see?

Red sweep? It was the left pushing the false narrative of a "blue wave" for 2 years. You retook the House by a non-significant majority (ie: you don't gain any benefits by greater majority there) and utterly failed in the Senate. Historical precedent said you should've taken both, in a landslide. Not only weren't any seats "in play" as Dems tried to suggest, but you actually ended up losing a couple. So that isn't anything for the Dems to be excited about.

Lets face it, you can't do anything meaningful without the Senate. Frankly, without 2/3 of the Senate nobody can.

So in that regard, congratulations are in order. You've managed to completely break the government, and ensure neither house of Congress can live up to its duties of doing the People's business. At least we can still confirm our dozens of judges and that, no matter what, Trump doesn't stand a chance in hell at being impeached.

Surely you aren't claiming a "blue wave" actually happened... All you managed to do was give the party enough publicity to hang itself with in the public's eye. They started self destructing minute-one. And then Trump absolutely ran them over with a freight train by drawing his line in the sand, and sticking to it without compromise. He will once again come through for the American people.

And as said earlier, Mexico will be paying one way or the other. Whether through tariffs or other means. One thing is for certain, plenty of foreign aid money available no doubt some going to Mexico that can be re-allocated for the wall. We cut it off for however long it takes to pay for the wall, with interest. Doesn't matter if it specifically comes from Mexico, as cutting any foreign aid to do anything in America is perfectly in line with our America first policy and will satisfy the base. Additionally, as you've seen with the millions of private dollars already donated to the wall, we're far more concerned about the end result of actually having the wall than who pays for it.

Unlike many leftist programs and ideas, this is a National Security concern and whatever cost is justified. This isn't some feel good socialist "social" program that we can just dismiss outright, this is a genuine national security threat. But I still have no doubt that its cost can be recouped by cutting foreign aid and cutting UN handouts along with hefty tariffs on Mexico or closing the border until/unless they cave.

I personally think Trump should demand all countries with known foreign nationals living here illegally should be forced to compensate the United States for the cost of taking care of their nationals.

...and our court picks will continue being confirmed, without delay, to ensure our Constitution isn't "interpreted" away by some do-gooder socialist who is more interested in virtue signalling than protecting, preserving and defending the Constitution of the United States

originally posted by: JBurns
As he said, Mexico is going to pay for this wall one way or the other. Whether we apply increased tariffs...

Mexico doesn't pay a tariff increase, the end user does. This is Economics 101.

It is more money than was raised for Christine Blassey Ford. What does that say?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: JBurns
As he said, Mexico is going to pay for this wall one way or the other. Whether we apply increased tariffs...

Mexico doesn't pay a tariff increase, the end user does. This is Economics 101.

And when people buy the goods elsewhere because of tarrifs on Mexican goods...Mexico loses money. What was that about economics 101?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Are you saying there aren't end users in Mexico?

It must have been a lot of Mexicans sending in money. I distinctly heard trump say the Mexicans are going to pay for the wall.

originally posted by: olaru12
It must have been a lot of Mexicans sending in money. I distinctly heard trump say the Mexicans are going to pay for the wall.

Whoopin' the # outta that horse ain't ya?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well isn't that obvious?

They shouldn't have to pay for it twice, then.

Funny how people will keep attacking the wall funding only because it's a Trump initiative.

I haven't read a single counter-proposal so far to solve the illegal immigration problem.

None.

originally posted by: vinifalou


I haven't read a single counter-proposal so far to solve the illegal immigration problem.

None.

Then you haven't been paying attention, ON ATS alone, it's been mentioned that if corporations will stop hireing illegals for their cheap labor. They wouldn't come.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: olaru12
It must have been a lot of Mexicans sending in money. I distinctly heard trump say the Mexicans are going to pay for the wall.

Whoopin' the # outta that horse ain't ya?

Me? it's trump that keeps repeating it over and over and over at every rally he attends.

a reply to: Mahogany

You are basing your opinion on the idea that if a person didn't contribute to the gofundme they don't support the wall. That is simply not the case. I am 100% in favor of the wall but i did not contribute to the gofundme. Mainly because I had a strong feeling that it would not reach its goal and giving money to the federal government for projects like this is more difficult than you might think.

Expecting individuals to reach in their own pockets and pay for the wall is like expecting democrats to run out and buy groceries for illegal aliens. They will laugh at you because in their minds they did their part getting the illegals here in the first place. Now its your turn to pony up with the grocery money-and healthcare-and education-and so on.

originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: Mahogany

If only the U.S. congress was worried about illegal rapists, murderers and gang-members pouring into the country, then the voters wouldn't have to pay for the solution themselves.

I think they're more worried about the ones who are already here -- you know; the ones born here and whose families have been here for generations. They're the ones committing most of the crimes and involved in most of the gangs.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Dude... They raised nearly 20 MILLION DOLLARS. H

Only 322,000 people contributed. So some big bucks but not a lot of little people supporting it.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Dude... They raised nearly 20 MILLION DOLLARS. How is that not enough to take notice? Does everyone who wants the wall have to put money up on kickstarter for this to look like an issue that we're for? I'm for the wall and I didn't spend a cent to that go fund me. I shouldn't have to. My taxes are already paid so I contributed the way we're MADE to contribute.

Hell, Obama only needed 100k signatures on a website to take notice. How is this not important with 3 X that amount?


Now shut up and build the wall already. I don't care who pays for it. Us, Mexico... Don't care. Just do it! That's something I'm happy to have MY taxes go towards.

Remember this gem of a thread? You make $400k but can't spend $500. You know it, it put the figures into realistic, easy to digest household budget friendly numbers.

This is the equivalent of only scraping together not even 2 bucks' worth of that $100 needed to hit the GFM goal ($100 being equivalent to the $1 billion) And call the $23 billion equivalent about $2300 smackers. See how absolutely impotent that buck and change is yet?
In the grand scheme of all thing Wall, it means jack s#. Think of it this way: the driest deserts on the planet have higher water percentages (aka humidity) in the dry-ass air than people have parted with for this. That's...not encouraging.

The goal will never be met. I'd be damned surprised if the campaign cracks $30 mil before folding.

a reply to: Mahogany

I almost brought this to every ones attention myself.
I was going to wait till the donate campaign ended. But I agree very small number of donators considering 60 million voted for trump.

Some one should do this with healthcare and see what amount of americans really care enough about that to donate.

a reply to: okrian

I wouldn't say the Dem's won those seats because of Trump. I would say they won those seats because no one in their right mind wants all branches of government ruled by the same party. When one group has all three they do whatever they want and we the citizens pay for their stupidity.

The majority of people do want that wall. Dems, Repubs and ones with no affiliation to any party. Just because every person that wants the wall didn't contribute to the go fund me doesn't mean they don't want it. I don't do "go fund me". I don't know anyone that does. I know a lot of people I can't think of a 1 that doesn't want the wall. Especially people that came into this country legally.