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Is China getting ready to Take Taiwan - Recent Sabre Rattling and Actions in the Area

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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:24 PM
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If China decided to "take back" Taiwan how do you think the situation would unfold. There has been a lot of sabre rattling by China and Taiwan seems to be worried about the situation. At least North Korea has been quieter lately.

There have been no missiles flying over Japan and no nuclear test by the North for a while now. They are still working on these things I am sure. It seems US pressure has just settled them down a bit.

There are threads here about some of this information. Below is some of what we know from the media about what is going on in this area.


China's Xi calls on army to be battle-ready

“The world is facing a period of major changes never seen in a century, and China is still in an important period of strategic opportunity for development,” he was quoted as saying.

He said the armed forces needed to be able to respond quickly to emergencies, needed to upgrade their joint operations capabilities and nurture new types of combat forces.

Xi’s comments followed his remarks on Wednesday that China still reserved the right to use force to achieve “reunification” with Taiwan and prevent the island’s independence.

Xi’s Taiwan speech came just days after U.S. President Donald Trump signed the Asia Reassurance Initiative Act into law, reaffirming the U.S. commitment to the island’s security.


Taiwan president calls for international support to defend democracy

Tsai’s comments came days after Chinese President Xi Jinping said nobody could change the fact that Taiwan was part of China, and that people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait should seek “reunification”.

“We hope that the international community takes it seriously and can voice support and help us,” Tsai told reporters in Taipei, referring to threats by China to use force to bring Taiwan under its control.

If the international community did not support a democratic country that was under threat, “we might have to ask which country might be next?” Tsai added.

Taiwan is China’s most sensitive issue and is claimed by Beijing as its sacred territory. Xi has stepped up pressure on the democratic island since Tsai from the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party became president in 2016.


‘Sink two aircraft carriers’: Chinese Admiral’s chilling recipe to dominate the South China Sea

Taiwan’s Central News Agency (CNA) reports Admiral Lou gave a wide-ranging speech on the state of Sino-US relations. The high-profile, hawkish military commentator reportedly declared the current trade spat was “definitely not simply friction over economics and trade,” but was instead a “prime strategic issue”.

His speech, delivered on December 20 to the 2018 Military Industry List summit, declared that China’s new and highly capable anti-ship ballistic and cruise missiles were more than capable of hitting US carriers, despite them being at the centre of a ‘bubble’ of defensive escorts.

“What the United States fears the most is taking casualties,” Admiral Lou declared.
He said the loss of one super carrier would cost the US the lives of 5000 service men and women. Sinking two would double that toll. “We’ll see how frightened America is."


Chinese Navy ship seen carrying an apparent railgun capable of firing hypersonic projectiles

In the years since 2011, Chinese researchers have been testing the weapon at greater distances. A US intelligence report found that China's weapon would be able to strike 200 kilometres away with a projectile velocity of 2.5 kilometres per second (9,000kph — greater than Mach 7).


US updates warning over China travel, urging 'increased caution'

State Department issues China travel advisory State Department issues China travel advisory 12:00 PM ET Thu, 3 Jan 2019 | 01:15 The U.S. State Department on Thursday updated its travel warning about China, urging Americans to "exercise increased caution" in the country "due to arbitrary enforcement of local laws as well as special restrictions on dual U.S.-Chinese nationals."


North Korea ambassador to Italy 'disappears', says South

High-profile defections by one of North Korea's elite are rare and would be a huge embarrassment for leader Kim Jong-un. State media has often insisted that any defections by diplomats are part of a plot by South Korea or the United States to undermine its government.


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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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Probing other country's defenses with aircraft and warships is not uncommon. It is part of military readiness. It can and has caused incidents and tension in the past.

A incident with deaths due to unprofessional or poorly trained pilots is one of many things that could spark a war. Denying ships the right of passage in international waters is a tinder that could ignite war.

Japan and South Korea had a recent indecent even though they are allies against China and with the US. Japan and South Korea work together to intercept Chinese aircraft that come close to their borders. One wrong spark could turn the whole area into a big mess.

There is a poster here who feels WWIII has already started in other areas of the globe. There are a lot of military actions going on around the globe and they would only complicate a move by China against Taiwan.

Ask anyone who has seen it first Hand, war is to be avoided at almost any cost. I hope and pray it does not come to that.

Japan And South Korea Intercept China Military Aircraft

According to Yonhap News Agency, the PLA aircraft believed to be a Y-9 type reconnaissance aircraft entered South Korea’s air defense identification zone on three separate instants within the day without providing any notice of its intent.

An official from South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said, plane first flew into the zone from an area close to Jeju and Ieo islands at 10:21 am and stayed for about an hour.

The following visits happened at 11:54 am and 2:14 pm. Fighter jets were scrambled to track the Chinese plane, which was also issued a warning message, adding that the defense ministry in Seoul later summoned the military attaché from the Chinese embassy.


Japan accuses South Korea of 'extremely dangerous' radar lock on plane

Japanese Defence Minister Takeshi Iwaya “strongly protested” to South Korea on Friday after a South Korean destroyer allegedly locked its targeting radar on a Japanese surveillance plane.

Iwaya, speaking to reporters at his ministry, described the action as “extremely dangerous that could cause an unexpected situation”.

The incident came at a time when greater coordination is called for between the two Asian neighbors to tackle issues including North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs, maritime security and natural disasters, he said.




US warships sail through Taiwan Strait as China tensions surge

"The US Navy will continue to fly, sail and operate anywhere international law allows," he said. Multiple Chinese warships shadowed the two US vessels during the transit, following at a safe distance.

There was no immediate comment from China. The voyage risks further heightening tensions with China, but will likely be viewed in self-ruled Taiwan as a sign of support by President Donald Trump's government, amid growing friction between Taipei and Beijing.

It was the second time in three months US warships have conducted so-called "freedom of navigation" exercises in the 180km-wide stretch of water.


This is a video from July.


If China made a move I think the US, South Korea and Japan would come to Tawian's defense. It would be a big move and could start WWIII. That would not be good news.



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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:48 PM
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If China were to go after Taiwan, I've no problem saying its THEIR problem, not ours. We really need to get our noses out of regional and cultural squabbles we have no business being in in the first place. Let their friends/allies in their own neighborhood do their dirty work/fighting, not people clear on the other side of the planet.
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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:49 PM
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I think China build 10 aircraft carriers and choke Taiwan's airspace and sea routes and force Taiwan to surrender.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

I have to agree. Unfortunately there are agreements with Taiwan and the US would have to abide by them or risk upsetting the global balance more than it already is.

Not to mention this would make the US look weak in China's eyes and could embolden them even more.





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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:57 PM
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Taiwan has always been the Republic of China, even though back in WW2 they fought for the Japanese Emporer, and treated like dog shat. My Grandfather was a Taiwanese but held the sword of a Japanese Officer with a razor sharp sword...



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: 38181

The US was always part of the United Kingdom until it wasn't and It is even more complicated than that.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

If Taiwan falls everything in the Pacific and East Asia changes. I'm not keen on seeing another nuclear arms race, the US (US being the key player) have guaranteed peace in the region for over 60 years.

Genuinely, be careful what you wish for. For now only 2 real players have nukes and the rest are "leased" so to speak.

Allies are allies, don't piss on them, it's offensive... Almost as offensive as secret nuclear programs.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: chucha
I think China build 10 aircraft carriers and choke Taiwan's airspace and sea routes and force Taiwan to surrender.


How and where?

They'd be noticed and everyone in the region would get a tad nervous and start prepping. China has nuclear weapons and space capabilities... Others in the region have the latter. It's kinda obvious the way things would go. I dare say some regional players could have the bomb before China could churn out 10 carriers.

Not that they'd need carriers in the first place... The game plan was always for Taiwan to stand their ground against endless barrage of missiles whilst US naval fleets got on route.

China is just posturing, it's a fight they can't win any time soon. IMHO.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: RAY1990

And I agree again, except for the fact that I am wishing for war. I stated in the OP.



Ask anyone who has seen it first Hand, war is to be avoided at almost any cost. I hope and pray it does not come to that.




It would be a big move and could start WWIII. That would not be good news.



I am asking what do you think would happen. Not if you think it should happen



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars


And I agree again, except for the fact that I am wishing for war. I stated in the OP.


Did I read that correctly? Are you actually "wishing for war?" Or is that a typo?

-dex



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: DexterRiley

You read it wrong. I said I agree to what was said "EXCEPT for the fact I am wishing for war"


Or maybe poor writing. I should have quoted the post that told me to be careful what I wish for.



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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars

LOL!

I thought that was bit out of character for you. I now see the point you're making.

-dex



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:31 PM
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They are not going to push that yet, unless they feel their economy is about to collapse.

They know right now our navy would still gut theirs quickly, 10-20 years down the road that will probably be different... but right now it would be minimal gain for major loss.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

You think we would out right attack China's forces in the region instead of just supplying arms and advisors?



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars

Here is the way this will go down: Hutchison Whampoa, a Chinese company, basically 'owns' the ports at both ends of the Panama Canal.The entire USA is within range of an Intermediate Range Ballistic MIssile launch from either port. When things start to get dicey, the Chinese will roll the IRBMs out of the warehouses there for all the satellites to see. It will be 'suggested' to us that unless we stand aside, one or more US cities will get it.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: dbarnhart

You don't think the US would then target all of China with nukes and make sure they know it. I don't think China would play the nuke card unless the US attacked and destroyed one of it's big city's or something like that, maybe not even then.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:59 PM
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China plays the long game.

I think what we're seeing right now is some saber rattling on the part of China. They have no intention of getting into an unwinnable war. However, by appearing strong and determined, they can garner additional respect, if not fear, in the region. And demonstrate to the rest that they are major players in world events.

China will eventually annex Taiwan no matter what. As its saber rattling and threats of military action become louder, the citizens of Taiwan will see unification as the only logical course of action. Especially as the older, more nationalist generations pass away.

A quote attributed to Sun Tzu translates to: The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. China's military actions in the South China Sea, and its bullying of Taiwan into reunification, are key parts of a psychological operation aimed at establishing their global and regional dominance without actually resorting to armed conflict.

-dex



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars


Yes because we have assets in the area and China would almost certainly take them out to make certain we are slow on the response.


Accept I think that if DoD thinks they are going to invade they will move subs into the region and it will be a blood bath, that's my wag.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 07:27 PM
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the usa couldent ignore it

i dont think chinas taking that place without turning it to ash first there not poor and they have been digging in that island for a long time



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