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The World Is Not Ready For Total Integration

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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:11 PM
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So, here's the thing about globalism and those who dream of a perfect world...
You can't just take tens of thousands of years of different cultures and smash them all together.

There, I said it.

Unfortunately, technology (ships, weapons, medicines, electricity) has allowed all this to happen WAY too fast. The world is not ready for this, yet, it is happening anyway. Spears vs Muskets, Rocks vs Nukes... however you see it. It's too much, too soon.

The idea of a globally integrated society is like a child bride married off for mating well before her time. Now everyone's getting f***ed whether they like it or not.

Now, as the libertarian-conservative type, I believe in in the prosperity of all people. But as long a money rules the world instead of basic cooperation, then we have to play the game one gamble at a time. Even our 'Skeptic Overlord' here resorted to putting ads on this site. Again, money rules.

So, call it propaganda, but I'm still a "Constitutionalist" who thinks the American experiment is way better than the current alternatives.

Humanity is brutal no doubt... but Sharia law doesn't mesh well with freedom, mind you, so be careful what you wish for, all you democrat liberal socialists. You're nobody's hero. You just wish for a perfect world of primates. Good luck with that.

Hey now, here's someone smarter than all of us. Try to pay attention kids! A 75 year old genius...





edit on 4-1-2019 by DeReK DaRkLy because: grammars boy




posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy




So, here's the thing about globalism and those who dream of a perfect world... You can't just take tens of thousands of years of culture and smash them all together.


This isn't a particularly controversial idea. This notion forms the basis of the Rule of Law American constitutionalists envision and that the founders implemented.

I would say that so long as there is a means to arbitrate in a neutral fashion, basic liberties that are protected by law, and a common desire to mind your own god damned business among the population, you can have multiple heritages. The CULTURE is unique as a result of the level playing field. This is the American experiment and the basis of our constitution. It's an approach to dealing with basic human nature without creating an institutional conflict with the various beliefs of people.

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The above is why identity politics is so corrosive to American institutions and our notions of liberty and justice.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

Just take a pot and add;
Communism
Socialism
Capitalism
Theocracies
Caliphates
Tribal customs
Free Speech
Gun Rights
Abortion
Punishing homosexuality


And we're just one big happy family.

Not.




Globalists want a one-world rule, a one-world religion, a one-world economy, a one-world way of looking at things.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:25 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn



a common desire to mind your own god damned business among the population, you can have multiple heritages.


That's a big IF my friend... just look at basic road rage. We can't even get along in our OWN culture.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

You can't change human nature. The entire idea behind the American experiment was to create a culture by which people can live out their nature with some very basic conditions and as little interference from the government as possible.

We have institutions to arbitrate and police to enforce the laws. Everything else is up to people and individual their judgment. We have the right and means to defend ourselves in the event someone wants to violate your rights using violence.

The society we live in isn't wholly prescriptive. It's can't be. We'd be Europe otherwise and god knows we don't wanna be Europe.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy
You can't change human nature.


That is a big can of worms, isn't it? Surely humans have made SOME progress, else we'd all be living under something like Sharia (caveman) law.


edit on 4-1-2019 by DeReK DaRkLy because: clarificationz



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

We haven't changed. Not really. This is why our institutions are so important and our concept of ordered liberty is so important to hold onto.

We are 3 missed meals away from a total lack of civilization.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

You can't change human nature. The entire idea behind the American experiment was to create a culture by which people can live out their nature with some very basic conditions and as little interference from the government as possible.

We have institutions to arbitrate and police to enforce the laws. Everything else is up to people and individual their judgment. We have the right and means to defend ourselves in the event someone wants to violate your rights using violence.

The society we live in isn't wholly prescriptive. It's can't be. We'd be Europe otherwise and god knows we don't wanna be Europe.


I wandered into the thread with an idea of what I was going to post and you did it better than I could have.

Kudos and thank you for your understanding of the American experiment.




posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

We haven't changed. Not really. This is why our institutions are so important and our concept of ordered liberty is so important to hold onto.


You must not believe in scientific evolution then. A bit short-sighted, perhaps?


We are 3 missed meals away from a total lack of civilization.


Unless you can hunt instead of browsing the aisles at the mini-mart.

Hello? Is this thing on??
Civilization IS the experiment. It does progress, despite the naysayers.

The point of this thread is SLOW DOWN and think.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:50 PM
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Not ready for a slave planet ⚔🚬⚔



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: DeReK DaRkLy

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

We haven't changed. Not really. This is why our institutions are so important and our concept of ordered liberty is so important to hold onto.


You must not believe in scientific evolution then. A bit short-sighted, perhaps?


We are 3 missed meals away from a total lack of civilization.


Unless you can hunt instead of browsing the aisles at the mini-mart.

Hello? Is this thing on??
Civilization IS the experiment. It does progress, despite the naysayers.

The point of this thread is SLOW DOWN and think.



To his credit it would be hard to find a difference between modern man now and homo sapiens 200k years ago.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 07:57 PM
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To his credit it would be hard to find a difference between modern man now and homo sapiens 200k years ago.


Please, elaborate... I didn't know they had fiber optics and a well-controlled currency system.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy




You must not believe in scientific evolution then. A bit short-sighted, perhaps?


I'm probably the most vocal advocate for science and the scientific method on ATS.

I'm not sure what you are referring to with regard to "scientific evolution". Do you mean technological progress?

Most of our society came about via philosophical evolutions in the Age of Enlightenment and underpinned by the teachings of Saint Thomas Aquinas with regard to the Natural Law.

In that time we have fought many bloody wars, eradicated whole people, developed weapons of mass destruction, we still discriminate based on superficial reasoning, and we still look for excuses to keep doing all of it. For thousands of years, we have followed this cycle.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: DeReK DaRkLy
a reply to: Wayfarer




To his credit it would be hard to find a difference between modern man now and homo sapiens 200k years ago.


Please, elaborate... I didn't know they had fiber optics and a well-controlled currency system.


Sure. Things like fiber optics and well-controlled currency systems are not part of our species physical evolution. I think Projectvxn was implying that human nature (as equivalent to our evolved physical selves) is still stuck in a primitive form of tribalism (something I very much agree with).



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:08 PM
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Cycles are eternal... you are talking about themes, really.

The spear is not the sword. The sword is not the bullet. The bullet is not the nuke.

Change happens. Progress happens. Cycles are eternal.
No one here can name something that is not part of a cycle.

Cycles and Progress are two different concepts.


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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer




human nature... is still stuck in a primitive form of tribalism


Compared to the ideal, yes. But to say progress has not been made is ignorant of the finer points of history.
Primitive man did not yield Mozart.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: DeReK DaRkLy
a reply to: Wayfarer




human nature... is still stuck in a primitive form of tribalism


Compared to the ideal, yes. But to say progress has not been made is ignorant of the finer points of history.
Primitive man did not yield Mozart.


Well sure, but if you flayed a primitive man and Mozart (without DNA sequencing) we couldn't discern one from the other. Heck, I'm hard pressed to think of even minor evolution that can't be explained away simply by access to good diet. I actually agree with the title of your OP, I'm just focused on the fact that we're mentally/physiologically less than 1 degree away from a spot in the zoo ourselves.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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I prefer to be with people that share similar genetics, values and culture as myself and I am not going to apologize for that. It doesn’t mean I don’t interact with others or care about them, but I prefer to be in my comfort zone. It keeps life simple.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

Just take a pot and add;
Communism
Socialism
Capitalism
Theocracies
Caliphates
Tribal customs
Free Speech
Gun Rights
Abortion
Punishing homosexuality


And we're just one big happy family.

Not.




Globalists want a one-world rule, a one-world religion, a one-world economy, a one-world way of looking at things.





Isn't this always the case? Monotheism (the religion of "ONE") is always corrosive to the individual. Case in point, during the era of accepted Pantheon, many religions and many cultures were acceptable. Well unless one tried to dominate over the overs then a war would happen, but for the most part everyone accepted others and would learn from one another. Then along came monotheism, with all the sexy talk of utopian afterlife, and good will for those who work for the one true god. Voluntary slavery is what it is, but nobody wants to call it for what it is, and now look at what we have "Imperial Globalists". It's the same damn thing just rebranded to make it less noticeable by the masses.

This rule of "one" is by any definition nothing more then enslavement by those in charge. Even in a time and place where everyone should have a say, these people will do everything they can to enslave you. Religions, Politics, Community, no matter what it is if you can't decide for yourselves and must be told what is, then you don't have the freedoms you should.

A wise man once stated that:
"the greatest lie ever told is telling a person what their choices are, while hiding away any other choices they had"





edit on 4-1-2019 by Guyfriday because: Prediction of the future



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: DeReK DaRkLy

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. You certainly didn't clarify the statements you made, nor did you address the points I made.

I think we all understand that cycles are a part of life. That isn't the point I was making at all.

Nor did I argue that civilization does not change. I am arguing that basic human nature has not changed and that our Constitution is underpinned by the understanding of human nature as fully described by St. Thomas Aquinas. Many others before him also touched on some basic understandings of natural law as well. I recommend the book 50 Questions on the Natural Law to understand where I'm coming from on this.



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