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any wall supporters concerned with people overstaying their visa? drugs coming through the mail?

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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:12 PM
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asking cause it sure dont seem like it.

seems like a lot of propaganda these days.
the wall the wall the wall

all the illegals coming over the border that are going to rape us and kill us and all that #
we need billions to build a wall or a fence or a net or a moat.

we need something to curb this..
thats what i keep seeing here.

seems like propaganda to me

yes of course people jump the border.
yes of course some of them are criminals
yes of course drugs come through

and yes of course something needs to be done about this. we need border security. 100%

are any of you oh so worried about all the people that are here illegally by way of overstaying their visa?

www.usatoday.com...


More than 600,000 foreign travelers who legally entered the United States in 2017 overstayed their visas and remained in the country by the end of the year, according to Department of Homeland Security data released Tuesday.


that is 600k people that could kill us and rape us.

any of you wall supporters care about this? want any of those billions to go to this?


DHS data shows that illegal immigration across the southern border is at historic lows – slightly more than 300,000 immigrants were caught crossing the border in 2017. That's down from a high of 1.6 million in 2000, according to Border Patrol data.



Canadians made up the largest group of visa overstays, with more than 92,000 remaining in the United States in 2017 despite being expected to leave.


what is that abooot? any of you care about this or is it cool cause they come from the north?


Of the 38 Visa Waiver Program countries, Portuguese citizens had the highest overstay rate (1.81 percent), followed by Hungarians (1.55 percent) and the Greek (1.25 percent).


another link

cis.org...


Eleven countries have student/exchange visa overstay rates of greater than 30 percent.




but the drugs. the drugs coming across the border. we need a wall

any of you concerned about all the drugs coming through the mail? it sure dont seem like it

www.wcpo.com...


"It's just so easy to get stuff through the mail," Drug Enforcement Administration agent Tim Reagan said. "It's not like they're checking your ID or anything either. You're walking up, you're paying a fee and off it goes."



United States Postal Service inspections are finding more drugs in parcels than ever before, according to USPS spokesman David Van Allen. Between 2016 and 2017, the Postal Inspection Service found drugs in 375 percent more international packages and 880 percent more domestic packages.


375% more
thats a lot right?


"When you're dealing with millions of packages -- and I couldn't even tell you how many post offices are in the Tri-State area -- we do our best," Reagan said. "There's just so many avenues and opportunities for these groups to use our own systems against us, and they do."


so there it is

are any of you wall supporting trump supporters concerned with any of this?

if so why do you not mention it?
its all the border wall to stop the murderers.


let me be clear about a few things so there are no misconceptions even though some of you are still going to deflect, attack

i am NOT in favor of open borders
we do need border security.


let me also be clear and say i think a great many of you are nothing more that propagandists and i dont think you are as concerned with illegal immigration and drugs as you claim.

i feel like if you were you would want some billions to go towards these pressing issues as well but you dont.

so whats up?

i also do want to discuss this

i would like to know what you wall supporters and trump supporters think about these issues

i apologize to whoever has talked about these issues before but i have not seen it.
as of now i dont think it has happened.


let me also get this out of the way as always because it is going to happen

i will be called a troll
definitely going to see some rheeeeeee bull#

probably going to have some triggered action.

dont forget to dog me out for not using capital letters. thats always fun.


lots of drugs coming in the mail
lots of illegals here by way of overstaying their visa

how is the wall going to help that and why do you only seemed to be concerned with the people coming from the south side?

dont care about the Canadians?
why?
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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A quick google search could have saved you some time.




The U.S. State Department, which administers the Diversity Immigrant Visa program, better known as the visa lottery, announced Tuesday that it will go ahead with the lottery for 50,000 visas available for Fiscal Year 2020. The winners will be drawn from random selection.


Link



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Canada is an excellent point.

There are already smugglers that bring illegals in through Vermont.

It won't take long for migrants to realize that all they need to do is get to Canada and slip in from our Northern Parts.

Back to your question. I am concerned about illegal immigration and know that only one thing could really stop it. Punish those that pay illegals. That's it... No money for illegals, no reason for them to want to come here.

I think the wall is more symbolic than anything...



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:26 PM
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As I guy who lives near the border and hunts on the border and has many many many days in the area of Arivaca and the area south. People crossing the border is a huge problem.

For every 500 we catch there are 5000 who make it past. The reason you are able to throw statistics out for people who overstay their VISA is that we can actually count those people because at one point they did fill out the paperwork.

With people jumping the border we have no clue how many have come over nor do we know where they go. We need the border wall to help slowdown illegally crossing.

I know a wall won't stop things completely but if you saw our border in the state it is in now you would laugh at how insecure we are.

All it would take is one squad semi-trained in evasion tactics to sneak a nuke in and detonate it. If not for that reason then build the wall so that people stop trying to cross through the Sonoran desert. Which kills most of them



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:29 PM
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Yes, many are concerned about all the aspects of border security and illegal immigration. Not sure if you are aware or not, but there are a few parts to all this. First off, there is the open border with just a little creek and some briars to guard it, yea, that's the part that could use some sort of barrier. If you don't believe me, ask the border patrol. It's kind of what they do, and I'd wager they know a tiny bit more about than you or I.

Second, there is the issue with the Visa thing. That system is a bit screwed up and could use some oversight and overhaul. But as was said, it's a different thing, you do get that right, it's different?

Then there are the Dreamers. DACA. We have lots of people here who came as kids, but somehow, haven't found time to bother with that whole "citizenship" thing, and we need to figure out a way to handle that. Again, not exactly the same thing as PPL sneaking across the border in the dead of night.

So sadly, it appears that information hasn't been your best friend as of late.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:31 PM
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You can't maintain a 1st world country by flooding it with the 3rd world.

Jobs are tight enough right now and tax payers shouldn't pay for them.

The drug threat is wanted by our gov. It makes you a criminal and removes rights.

The invasion is wanted by Democrats because they want more dumb voters.

Dumb internet emotion-based voters + 3rd world voters=all they need for power

They will be able to pull off some serious communist crap then.

They are already trying to re-frame "illegal aliens" to "undocumented"



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears


let me also be clear and say i think a great many of you are nothing more that propagandists and i dont think you are as concerned with illegal immigration and drugs as you claim.


Same can be said for those that oppose the wall. Y'all are feigning outrage over these poor immigrants, but in reality y'all could care less.

It's quite simple really; if Trump is for, y'all are against.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

First things first. They can't even agree upon getting a wall built to protect America. The last thing you want to do is add more projects into the mix.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:55 PM
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Shoot them all.

Feel better now?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:06 PM
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Of course.

The nail issue is an easy fix. Really easy.

As for the overstays that is a problem BUT if they had already gotten a VISA that means that they were likely vetted to some degree and arent criminals dumped out of a Mexican/Honduran/El Salvador prison and told to go Nortè and not come back. They arent human smugglers and the provably haven't raped 50 border jumping women and children.

These are issues but nothing like what's happening at the border

Any other points you want to debate?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: TinySickTears


let me also be clear and say i think a great many of you are nothing more that propagandists and i dont think you are as concerned with illegal immigration and drugs as you claim.


Same can be said for those that oppose the wall. Y'all are feigning outrage over these poor immigrants, but in reality y'all could care less.

It's quite simple really; if Trump is for, y'all are against.


No one even has to make emotional appeals to "those poor immigrants". They could merely look at this through the lens of being fiscally smart and applying basic conservative principles, which it seems the conservatives have seem to have lost track of these days. Cost/benefit analysis is a good enough argument to be against Trump's ego monument that will do nothing but give him and his minions some Charlie Sheen style "winning". Sorry, there's no reason for the American tax payers to shell out billions for Trump's ego. It's plenty big already.

Besides, he already lost since his ridiculous assertion that Mexico would pay for the wall will never happen. Despite his "promise". This is just a sad attempt to save face.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: TinySickTears


let me also be clear and say i think a great many of you are nothing more that propagandists and i dont think you are as concerned with illegal immigration and drugs as you claim.


Same can be said for those that oppose the wall. Y'all are feigning outrage over these poor immigrants, but in reality y'all could care less.

It's quite simple really; if Trump is for, y'all are against.


No one even has to make emotional appeals to "those poor immigrants". They could merely look at this through the lens of being fiscally smart and applying basic conservative principles, which it seems the conservatives have seem to have lost track of these days. Cost/benefit analysis is a good enough argument to be against Trump's ego monument that will do nothing but give him and his minions some Charlie Sheen style "winning". Sorry, there's no reason for the American tax payers to shell out billions for Trump's ego. It's plenty big already.

Besides, he already lost since his ridiculous assertion that Mexico would pay for the wall will never happen. Despite his "promise". This is just a sad attempt to save face.


is border security not an issue, or do you just have a better idea?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:22 PM
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No one even has to make emotional appeals to "those poor immigrants"


And yet they do. Who remembers all those poor children being ripped away from their parents?

Speaking of which, anyone heard of them since?

Or even better, does anyone even still care?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

What's your point exactly? We shouldn't build a wall? The propaganda is by the media. 300K crossed the border illegally from the south. What, do they have someone counting them as they cross? I'll bet the actual number is at least three times that.

I'm all for enforcement of the law before building a wall but that hasn't been done in many years (pre-Trump). I would start by declaring "sanctuary cities" illegal and withhold federal funds from all states that has such a city.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:39 PM
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going to be a BIG problem, when and if some of US citizens are not allowed to enter Mexico. Be it martial law, civil war, ww3, nuked, pandemic or something similar happens...like a economic collapse...list goes on and on with things that can go wrong with the wall and how the wall could be a Trojan Horse in the long run and come back and bite the taxpayers where it hurts the most and when...

USA will not be welcome in Latin America is one thing the wall will help, help wear out the welcome and be subject to kidnapping, murder or just vengeance for not being welcome in the USA....

Might make home a little safer, though make a wrong turn and wind up in Central or South America...don't be surprised what happens.

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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: okrian


No one even has to make emotional appeals to "those poor immigrants"


And yet they do. Who remembers all those poor children being ripped away from their parents?

Speaking of which, anyone heard of them since?

Or even better, does anyone even still care?


Emotional appeals are made on all sides all the time. Don't try to pretend that it exists only in one place.
I'm sure some people still care. Have you really tried to find out? The media has moved on because it isn't the story of the moment. But you know better than to trust the media and what they are reporting right? You are going to have to dig a little deeper. If you don't care to do that then why bother even asking the question.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 04:36 PM
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You're missing the point and making my point at the same time.

The media has "moved on" because it isn't convenient for them anymore. You want to pretend this isn't true? Go for it.

Plus I'm sure it's easy to sympathize from the safety of your own home. I'm willing to bet when push comes to shove, a lot of your tunes would change in an instant.

Here in the real world, it isn't all butterflies and rainbows. In fact, its ugly, harsh and very unforgiving. People are selfish, greedy and care for naught but themselves.


Unless it's convenient, of course.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

More than 600,000 foreign travelers who legally entered the United States in 2017 overstayed their visas and remained in the country by the end of the year, according to Department of Homeland Security data released Tuesday.

that is 600k people that could kill us and rape us.


Your # is too sarcastic to really want to reply, but I'll try... Over stay is an issue too, but how do you compare 600k to 15 million UNDOCUMENTED. Also to get a visa there is some vetting so once again with UNDOCUMENTED we have no clue to what we have good or bad.



DHS data shows that illegal immigration across the southern border is at historic lows – slightly more than 300,000 immigrants were caught crossing the border in 2017. That's down from a high of 1.6 million in 2000, according to Border Patrol data.


Your point? Can we get it lower, will the wall get that number well under 100k? So 30k a month and we need to house, feed, medical etc etc these people for months on end. Why do you think they are converting old Walmarts into detention centers? Do you think just so the liberals can say shame on you? Less are coming in but more are staying in the system longer as they all wait on their "court case" since they all are seeking asylum as per the border lawyers advice. Plus that is the number that gets caught, so what is the number of TOTAL that cross the border monthly?



Canadians made up the largest group of visa overstays, with more than 92,000 remaining in the United States in 2017 despite being expected to leave.

what is that abooot? any of you care about this or is it cool cause they come from the north?


Yea kick them out, deny future Visas, close to the same thing, but as I said with a visa there is some vetting. Other than that it is the same they do not need to be here.



but the drugs. the drugs coming across the border. we need a wall

any of you concerned about all the drugs coming through the mail? it sure dont seem like it


Do you care? doesn't seem like it...you most likely do not have any posts about child porn...so I guess you don't care either on that...sure doesn't seem like it...

Once again what is your point, two different problems that need fixing. Do you want to talk drugs across the border problem, or do you want to talk about drugs in the mail problem...

www.wcpo.com...


the Postal Inspection Service found drugs in 375 percent more international packages and 880 percent more domestic packages.

375% more
thats a lot right?


I don't know...they never give the numbers the percentage is based on...what if the number is 1 so 375 packages have come in...my point is they do not give the base number because 375% and 800% sounds much better.



how is the wall going to help that and why do you only seemed to be concerned with the people coming from the south side?

dont care about the Canadians?
why?


Do we need to care about Canada? I'm sure you are getting at that they are not brown enough to care, but if we look at the numbers...South of the border is 20 countries with 600 million population and about 97% either live in poverty or extreme poverty. Canada is 36 million and 13% live in poverty.

So I'll ask you which side gives you the most concern?



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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

And yet they do. Who remembers all those poor children being ripped away from their parents?

Speaking of which, anyone heard of them since?

Or even better, does anyone even still care?


The system gets overwhelmed and the democrats do not really want to tighten up the borders, but they sure like to complain on where we house 10,000s of these people.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Did you ask if they care about private property rights?

Some of that wall would be on american citizens owned land.

www.nytimes.com...
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