What to expect if the 9/11 truth bomb does drop

a reply to: neutronflux

"Melodramafueltank" is full, just launch it.
That video is significant piece of evidence.

a reply to: kwakakev

The US government admitted their involvement in the contra affair
they purposefully and with full knowledge sold coc aine into american communities to fund black projects

also MK ultra , if no one gave a # about that , then why would they care about 9/11 truth!

narco terrorism on your own people and human experimentation and also killing innocent people to hide fraud and also make more money!

No one actually cares enough to do anything about it

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

"Melodramafueltank" is full, just launch it.
That video is significant piece of evidence.

You didn’t answer.

Is the below true.

And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4

www.skeptic.com...

And...

When I post the video are you going to take it like a grown up?

Or do what conspiracists normally do,
-change the topic
-move the goal post
-use the blanket fallacy it’s all a lie
-or freak out and commit a serious terms violation because somebody committed heresy upon the cult of WTC CD.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

The “pancake” theory is usually an over simplifying of the event.

The bowing and buckling of the tower columns is in the video record. Core columns still standing after the complete collapse of the towers’s floor system is right there in the video record too.

Backed by

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

Core columns still standing after the complete collapse of the towers’s floor system is right there in the video record too.

You lied with this claim.

a reply to: democracydemo

You ask a conspiracists a simple question and you don’t get an answer. Just unfounded accusations. Sad.

To support this from eSkeptic on the Twin Towers, which you never answered if it was false. And took no effort to debunk.

9/11 and the Science
of Controlled Demolitions

www.skeptic.com...

And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4

Is supported by the below video

WTC Collapses - Cores Visible
the-last-blog-left.blogspot.com...

It is difficult to see properly, but these pictures appear to show the remnants of WTC2's core still standing for a little while, after the rest of the towers had collapsed. It's obscured by dust, of course.

And from different sources

9/11 Footage shows core of both towers standing; Debunks Basement BombsTheory
m.youtube.com...

Core of WTC 1 momentarily standing after collapse
m.youtube.com...

a reply to: democracydemo

We also know the vertical columns were left in the wake of the collapsing floor system because of the failure mode of the floor connections.

app.aws.org...

Analysis of the connections supporting the composite floor system of the WTC towers showed that at and below the im- pact floors, the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column. This was probably related to the overloading of the floors below the impact region after col- lapse initiation. Depending upon weld joint geometry, detachment of the main load-bearing seats was a result of either fracture in the heat affected zone of the base material (standoff plate detached from spandrel) or through the weld metal (seat angle detached from standoff plate). Failure in both cases was assumed to be a result of a shear mechanism as a result of overloading from floors above impacting those below. There did not appear to be a significant change in distribution of failure modes of the floor truss connections when comparing those connections inside vs. outside of the impact region or those ex- posed to pre-collapse fires and those that were not.

Kind of hard to shear the floor connections off the vertical columns if the steel columns fell first, then the floor system failed.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

You do a great job getting people to ask questions and research for themselves. This thread is not about what may of happened, but what you expect to happen should the Dark Overload or someone like that release what they have.

This.. You can't make threads and expect other people to fill it for you.

a reply to: ziplock9000

You can't make threads and expect other people to fill it for you

Why not? I do not operate in a vacuum. What is wrong with wanting to hear other people's opinion on some matter?

Did KSM flip?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Thejaybird

“What to expect if the 9/11 truth bomb does drop”

In the context of the title.

Items that are lies and fantasies of the truth movement are not going to be validated by authentic documents.

So you have to have a realistic understanding of the actual events and evidence of 9/11 to expect what will happen with the release of authentic documents. Is this a false statement.

So says you.

As I wrote before, I understand that you believe the official narrative. Therefore, in your eyes, if ‘authentic documents” were to be released, they would substantiate your take on the event. At the same time, your premise that there are authentic documents still to be released (which is inherent in your postings) speaks volumes.

There are too many anomalies in the official narrative to subscribe to it in blind faith (which amounts to what you have, based on your posts). The people that you deride as being incorrect believe what they believe with the same conviction that you believe your interpretation of the event. That, in and of itself, does not make you correct.


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a reply to: Thejaybird

What, are my motives? Let’s review.

I showed how the truth movement used lies and falsehoods.

Like the Architects and Engineers 9/11 truth falsehood the cores of the WTC Twin Towers fell at free fall speed? Or that AE lied about the Twin Towers fell through the path of greatest resistance.

www.skeptic.com...

And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4 According to Richard Gage: “To bring a building symmetrically down, what we have to do is remove the core columns.” But on 9/11 the stronger core columns came down last, which violates this supposed most fundamental rule of controlled demolition.

Or the lie the frames from the pentagon security cameras do not show a large jet?

Blink Comparator Views of
the Plane at the Pentagon

911speakout.org...

Note that when barrel distortion is eliminated, the image compression near the edge of the field is eliminated, so the plane appears longer, with proportions resembling a 757. (Remember, the plane is also moving toward us at about a 45 degree angle.)

Or the truth movement lied when it posted pictures of columns cut by workers at the WTC as cut by thermite.

debunked-the-wtc-9-11-angle-cut-column-not-thermite-cut-later.t9469/
www.metabunk.org...

And there is video evidence of columns buckling for WTC 2 with zero evidence of cut columns.

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

Would you like to talk about the $300,000 collected by donations for a WTC 7 Evaluation study that will probably never be completed as originally promised. A study that is two years late from its original promised release date for public comment and peer review. A study that will never be released meeting the promises under which money was collected under.

Lots of lies, falsehoods, and shadowy deals by a group wearing the mantle “truth movement”? And that doesn’t concern you one bit?

A guess the group is now complicate in illegal hacking and violating privacy laws concerning victims of 9/11.

What are you motivations?

a reply to: Thejaybird

I would think you would want to know what is debunked concerning 9/11, and what is true to aid in figuring out what is authentic?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: ignorant_ape


It's next to the 'disclosure' and 'free energy' bombshells.

Next to the 'masons are third degrees of kindness'

Bombshells will be dropped...and they come directly for the scoffers..the hiders...ya know...

a reply to: neutronflux


Your motives, apparently, are to sustain the deception and cover-up that are the official narrative. At least those are your goals.

Exactly what motivates you is another matter.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
Bombshells will be dropped...and they come directly for the scoffers..the hiders...ya know...

Sure, just like the Q LARP and the 300,000,000 sealed indictments.

I do know in a book titled, STORM CLOUD RISING the 9/11 conspiracy takes a hell of a twist and this very website is mentioned within the plot by the main character.

Nothing like ATS being mentioned in a book about 9/11 and the story being one that is very interesting!

Now THAT is a haha

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


Your motives, apparently, are to sustain the deception and cover-up that are the official narrative. At least those are your goals.

Exactly what motivates you is another matter.

No, my goals were to determine by weighing debunker vs truth movement if there was any validity in accusations of CD. Listening to debates, weighing video evidence, seismic evidenced, the metallurgy, audio evidence, physics, and studies that actually completed the discovery process, I found this.

The truth movement uses lies, items out of context, pseudoscience, fake authority, do not complete the discovery process for their studies, uses misquotes. The truth movement would rather cite AE throwing boxes against one another than the actual video evidence.

Now, do you have actual evidence of WTC CD or cut columns.

Or you going to change the subject with another one of your rants.

The smoking guns I have seen so far.

The military intervened over Pennslyvania (flight 93) it was not elaborated about further, unfortunately. We have to wait and see if there more information on this in the other 9/11 layers.

FBI file claims they have a video of the hijackers at Dulles airport of the 10th Sep 2001 and video of Muslim men prior to 9/11 showing badges to security at Dulles airport. This is interesting as the Dulles security tape supposedly from 9/11 has no timestamp or date on the recording, so how we know when was recorded!. Why did the hijackers appear at Dulles airport on the 10th, a day before the attacks?

There were reports of a gun on flight 11.

We got more information about the Phoenix memo send to the regional FBI headquaters in July 2001. Which detailed Muslim men were training at flight schools in this area to potentially carry out terrorist attacks. That memo was ignored

In a confidential meeting, file the notes claim a video exists of a hijacker seated in the cockpit seat. Again does not elaborate. For me this head-scratcher. The only thing I can think of right now is one of the pilots was a 9/11 hijacker?

File: also claims two of the Hijackers on the CIA list, were not hijackers of flight 11 and 175.
File: also claims Atta was not seen at the checkpoint on 9/11 but was seen at the ATM and Pizza hut.
File: Mohammed Atta did surveillance on Logan airport checkpoint B prior to 9/11
File: Logan Magnetometers detected box cutters, blades were removed.

Flight 93 was on the tarmac for 40 minutes after pulling out from the boarding gate.

Silverstein leased the properties in late July 2001.

a reply to: Jesushere

Would you like to actually quote documents your are referring to for context?