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The Green New Deal is out; most Orwellian Socialist garbage I have ever seen

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:11 PM
I have defended Ocasio Cortez in a lot of threads on ATS. I am not interested in her tweets so much, or other things.

What I am interested in is her policies.

And so after hearing how people like her and Bernie aren't real socialism, they are "Democratic" Socialists, and how there was a plan coming out called the Green New Deal, I was anxious to read what was actually in the plan.

Needless to say, it was worth the wait.

This plan is so dangerous, so utopian and unworkable, that it almost defies reason that it could seriously be proposed in congress. But it has (or will not sure) been.

I am not going to go thru it all, only the most relevant parts, but here it is.


(A) The Plan for a Green New Deal (and the draft legislation) shall be developed with the objective of reaching the following outcomes within the target window of 10 years from the start of execution of the Plan:

What I am about to read to you needs to be accomplished within ten years of passing this legislation. Got that? Ok lets begin.

Dramatically expand existing renewable power sources and deploy new production capacity with the goal of meeting 100% of national power demand through renewable sources;

Well there is a doozy to start! 100% of the power in this country will be renewable in ten years. No more gasoline in your car, no more electricity from coal.

Ten years.


The entire countries economy would immediately collapse on the passage of this. Who would invest in a country where it would be illegal to use fossil fuels in ten years, and instead you would have to use tech that isnt even invented yet on anywhere near a scale to accomplish this? The stock market would bottom out immediately. Businesses would immediately move overseas if they could. Job loss would be catastrophic.

And thats all within days of this being passed. The amount of energy, innovation, and money that it would cost to achieve this may be incalcuable. It quite literally may be an impossible task. Yet after the ten year mark, no more fossile fuels allowed.

This is just step one!

Lets move on.

building a national, energy-efficient, “smart” grid;

Well that goes without saying. If the type of energy needs to be totally transitioned inb ten years, we will need a new grid to do it. Keep in mind how massive the energy grid in the US is. Probably one of the best in the world. It has been an ongoing project for hundreds of years.

All of it needs to be replaced in ten years, or else no energy for people. I mean fossil fuels will not be allowed and will have stopped being collected, so the gird must be done with these new techs that must be invented, or else peopple will literally have to go without energy.

But hey, who cares if people freeze to death or starve or become crhronically poor; at least we get to feel good passing the Green New Deal!

upgrading every residential and industrial building for state-of-the-art energy efficiency, comfort and safety;

Every RESIDENTIAL building for COMFORT!!! That means every single house in the country must be upgraded by the government not just for safety, but for comfort!!!!

How long would that alone take! How much money would that cost! Can we give every kid na pony while we are at it? (shouldnt joke they will take it seriously)

eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from the manufacturing, agricultural and other industries, including by investing in local-scale agriculture in communities across the country;

So factories and farms can no longer emit green house gasses. Now keep in mind, businesses have said even reducing gasses by things such as 20 percent over a twenty year period would be incredibly difficult, and yet now they have ten years to eliminate. What sort of comapany would want to exist in that country?

And how will farms operate with no fossil fuels and no emissions at all. It must be a 100% reduction. This means that farms will stop runninng, and people will starve.

Just like in the Soviet Union paradise that banished Kulak farmers leading to 50 million people starving.

Again, small price to pay to feel good.

eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from, repairing and improving transportation and other infrastructure, and upgrading water infrastructure to ensure universal access to clean water;

Clean water is achievable. The rest, see above.

funding massive investment in the drawdown of greenhouse gases;

Key word there being MASSIVE investment, seeing as how we need to totally replace our energy system in ten years

making “green” technology, industry, expertise, products and services a major export of the United States, with the aim of becoming the undisputed international leader in helping other countries transition to completely greenhouse gas neutral economies and bringing about a global Green New Deal.

SO massive government control over our economy, for a "Global Green New Deal" SOunds so warm and fuxzzy doesnt it?

Moving on.

(B) The Plan for a Green New Deal (and the draft legislation) shall recognize that a national, industrial, economic mobilization of this scope and scale is a historic opportunity to virtually eliminate poverty in the United States and to make prosperity, wealth and economic security available to everyone participating in the transformation. In furtherance of the foregoing, the Plan (and the draft legislation) shall:

There will never be a system ever that will virtually eliminate poverty. These are the sorts of utopian lies and dreams that the communists told that led to murder and death on unprecedented scales to achieve this unreachable dream.

The best system yet to lower poverty has been capitalism, and it still has much top be desired. Socialism like that provided here has failed miserably every time.

Anyone proposing they have a plan to virtually eliminate poverty ought top be laughed out of the room.

More to come below

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:19 PM
Clearly written by people who don't understand the law, how these things are written, and why they are so.

If anyone here ever read the old Soviet constitution that made all kinds of things decreed positive rights, let me know how many of those came to fruition in reality. Written very similarly.

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:25 PM
Well that's nice,

Some people just don't get it.

We need jobs, this idea/policy would destroy jobs by the thousands. There is no way that green jobs would replace the amount of jobs already in place.

Not to mention it is impossible to eliminate all emissions from steel production alone. I worked at Sun Coke right across the street from US Steel in Granite City Il. The amount of energy and resources needed to produce steel is staggering. That is just the steel industry.

But anyways, I guess that white collar people sitting behind desks knows what's best for everyone.

Just the idea of these policies is really a token of how out of touch these people are with every day lives of blue collar workers across the nation.

We are doomed.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:27 PM
a reply to: Grambler

Ten years? What's the point?

Even if it passed its not doable.

This chick isn't gonna make it far.
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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:28 PM
Cow farts.

Cow farts blow half of it out of the water

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:30 PM

provide all members of our society, across all regions and all communities, the opportunity, training and education to be a full and equal participant in the transition, including through a job guarantee program to assure a living wage job to every person who wants one;

Guaranteed jobs, with a living wage, which I am sure will be defined as something around or more than $15 an hour, to every person who wants it.

This immediately collapses all small owned businesses that wont be able to compete with that wage.

But thats good for socialists who want government control.

It will also cost unimaginable amounts of money, and government agencies to accomplish. That is in addition to all of the money that must be spent for all of the other massive government programs.

diversify local and regional economies, with a particular focus on communities where the fossil fuel industry holds significant control over the labor market, to ensure workers have the necessary tools, opportunities, and economic assistance to succeed during the energy transition;

Provide training, jobs and straight out money to any fossil fuel worker who loses their job. More total government dependents.

require strong enforcement of labor, workplace safety, and wage standards that recognize the rights of workers to organize and unionize free of coercion, intimidation, and harassment, and creation of meaningful, quality, career employment;

What does meaningful quality career employment mean? So I wont have to do undignified work like clean garbage if I dont want? Cool. So who will do the dirty jobs? No one I guess, since we all have a right not to, and the government is responsible to provide me with a quality meaningful well paying job I like.

Sounds workable.

ensure a ‘just transition’ for all workers, low-income communities, communities of color, indigenous communities, rural and urban communities and the front-line communities most affected by climate change, pollution and other environmental harm including by ensuring that local implementation of the transition is led from the community level and by prioritizing solutions that end the harms faced by front-line communities from climate change and environmental pollution;

Identity politics garbage which I will get to more in a minute.

protect and enforce sovereign rights and land rights of tribal nations;

What if they want to use oil or coal? Can we then go after the dirty climate abusers?

mitigate deeply entrenched racial, regional and gender-based inequalities in income and wealth (including, without limitation, ensuring that federal and other investment will be equitably distributed to historically impoverished, low income, deindustrialized or other marginalized communities in such a way that builds wealth and ownership at the community level);

This is reparations and equality of outcome.

In other words, we must believe things like the gender pay gap myth. We must no longer look at people as individuals, and instead as groups such as genders or racial groups, and instead of just ensuring equality of opportunity, we need the government to intervene and ensure equality of outcomes.

This is government control at unprecedented levels. More hatred of people based on skin color or gender. I could write 50 pages on why this is a terribly bigoted view of things that diminishes freedom and individuality, and reduces people to merely things like their skin color, but I will leave it there.

include additional measures such as basic income programs, universal health care programs and any others as the select committee may deem appropriate to promote economic security, labor market flexibility and entrepreneurism; and

Just a few more small progarms to throw on there; universal income and health care.

How much income will be guaranteed? Is it as much as the federal job I have been guaranteed? Why work the job when the government will pay me either way?

How many hundreds of trillions of dollars will this cost, ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE!!!

deeply involve national and local labor unions to take a leadership role in the process of job training and worker deployment.

Sure, might as well put unions in charge of this destruction of the country.

Lastly, you may have noticed no price tag has been mentioned. Well lets see what they say about how to pay for this.

The Plan for a Green New Deal (and the draft legislation) shall recognize that innovative public and other financing structures are a crucial component in achieving and furthering the goals and guidelines relating to social, economic, racial, regional and gender-based justice and equality and cooperative and public ownership set forth in paragraphs (2)(A)(i) and (6)(B). The Plan (and the draft legislation) shall, accordingly, ensure that the majority of financing of the Plan shall be accomplished by the federal government, using a combination of the Federal Reserve, a new public bank or system of regional and specialized public banks, public venture funds and such other vehicles or structures that the select committee deems appropriate, in order to ensure that interest and other investment returns generated from public investments made in connection with the Plan will be returned to the treasury, reduce taxpayer burden and allow for more investment.

In other words, just have the Fed print the money to pay for it all.


So I guess the children will not have to worry about the climate killing them. After the massive economic collapse, the starvation from no energy, the bloodshed for fighting for resources, and the crippling debt the will be under for eternity, a death from climate change would probably be very unlikely.

Oh and lets see them clarify this payment in their Q and A.

Many will say, “Massive government investment! How in the world can we pay for this?” The answer is: in the same ways that we paid for the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs, the same ways we paid for World War II and many other wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments, new public banks can be created (as in WWII) to extend credit and a combination of various taxation tools (including taxes on carbon and other emissions and progressive wealth taxes) can be employed.
In addition to traditional debt tools, there is also a space for the government to take an equity role in projects, as several government and government-affiliated institutions already do.

Hey dont worry about cost! We will just print and borrow the untold hundreds of trillions this will cost!

Oh, and notice they sneak in that little about carbon taxes there. Yep, sorry people, in the last ten years you can use gas, it will be around $10 a gallon or more because of taxes. I mean, the people of France loved that so well they are still partying on the streets!

It is both laughable and frightening the thousands of people if not more think this is a workable plan, and people in Congress are pushing it.

Can we finally put to bed that this "democratic" socialism is some how not socialism? This plan involves more government control of everyones lives that pretty much anyone I have ever seen.

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:31 PM
This would be laughable, if it weren't so dangerous.
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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:33 PM
a reply to: Grambler

Can't we just be honest and call it what it is?

It's communism.


posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:34 PM

The right to employment through a Full Employment Program that will create 25 million jobs by implementing a nationally funded, but locally controlled direct employment initiative replacing unemployment offices with local employment offices offering public sector jobs which are "stored" in job banks in order to take up any slack in private sector employment.

The "Right" to work? This means the US MUST provide a job, must pay...etc Doesn't sound good to make this a Right. Do we also force people to work since many unemployed like it that way? What do we pay for a person's "Right" 30 bucks an hour for a living wage since it would be a Right?

1. Looks like this would cost about 1.5 trillion in pay for 25 million jobs...who going to foot that bill?
2. Medicare for all... 4 trillion
3. Free school up through college..and all college dept will be forgiven? Does this mean all colleges will stop being private institutions and be federalized under Government control? 1.5 trillion waved, and additional trillion yearly.

The right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

So we are talking about the Government seizing control of just about everything that touches people one way or another.. Do you see this as good? Plus this looks to be run in the red, so once again another trillion in Government subsidies to offset the cheap cost?

The right to fair taxation that's distributed in proportion to ability to pay. In addition, corporate tax subsidies will be made transparent by detailing them in public budgets where they can be scrutinized, not hidden as tax breaks.

First, corporate taxes in America are like already the highest in the world, second it looks like the vast majorly will just signed their paychecks over to the Government.

educing homeowner and student debt burdens

Wow! Free houses for all too...Let me know so I can buy that 10 million dollar house just before this kicks in.

nationalize the private banks well I guess with a 10 trillion cost per year they need to get the money from somewhere...

abolish the Electoral College and implement direct election of the President

I guess no longer 50 United States, just one big this the anti Trump

bring simplified, safe same-day voter registration to the nation so that no qualified voter is barred from the polls

Maybe also add to prevent unqualified voters from voting too...I guess under this even illegals should have the right to vote.

reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world

OK, but look at the uproar over just Syria... BTW with all this just what are we protecting...

So it seems at the end of the day full blown Communism is what this is all talking about. It is funny how the term "Communism" was changed to "Progressive" and now to "Green" to make it taste better on the palette, but at the end of the day we are talking 1950s Russia Communism style of Government here and just look back how that helped them.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:35 PM
Can we get the ponies up front?

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:37 PM

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Grambler

Can't we just be honest and call it what it is?

It's communism.


Thats basically it.

It amounts to a slick way to have government control all aspects of production and the economy.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:37 PM

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Grambler

Can't we just be honest and call it what it is?

It's communism.


I've read that the "Green Movement" was co-opted by the Reds, so to speak. Maybe there is more truth to that than many would want to admit.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:45 PM
Sounds like "Plank 11"

And watch out for the pick-pockets 😁

And that "living" wage won't get far with no jobs "available" 🤣

This is a real "Venezuelan Rhapsody" 🐔

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:55 PM
But she was sworn in today to protect and defend the US and constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Actually, that's quite funny in that her full intent is to usurp the constitution and replace it with a modernized Utopian communist manifesto. Her first responsibility as a new representative starts out deception lies.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:58 PM
a reply to: Grambler

anything in her proposal about the 'other' green?

would be nice

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:58 PM
a reply to: Grambler

Frightening. When a coterie of technocrats and activists believe they can regulate the affairs of citizens through state power and force, we have reached peak statism. This is a road map to driving a country straight into the ground.

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 07:00 PM
I at one time thought that we won the cold war, but now I see that my grandfather was right when he said we didn't win anything.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 07:02 PM
Rejoice comrades!

The government will take care of everything!
I mean, just look at the great job they've done so far. What could go wrong?

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 07:03 PM

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: Grambler

anything in her proposal about the 'other' green?

would be nice

Didnt see it.

But if the drug plan is anything like this,

My guess is they would legalize it then force you to smoke it every day.

Probably middies.

posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 07:03 PM
a reply to: Grambler

Probably middies.

Now you're really starting to scare me.

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