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Sicilian mayor defies Salvini on residency terms for migrants

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 06:47 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

I will belittle them as much as I like. I have vast experience of these wonderful contributing peaceful people who only want what we have...but for free. Being born in Africa and actually having lived there I feel comfortable that I know exactly how their minds work. This isn't new....this has been going on for decades. Its not xenophobia my dear to state the truth as I believe it and have experienced it. And no there aren't more Africans than Scicilians that just silly I agree, the problem is once again culture clashes and fear, on a very small island which has to deal with these illegals on a daily basis and they are being overwhelmed from the sea. The migrant problem is probably the hottest topic for the locals at the moment and whilst most are removed to migrant centres there are those that escape in gangs and roam the countryside. Those are the ones to be afraid of. Tourist areas are the least affected, the outskirts of Palermo and the smaller villages it IS a problem




posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
I will belittle them as much as I like. I have vast experience of these wonderful contributing peaceful people who only want what we have...but for free. Being born in Africa and actually having lived there I feel comfortable that I know exactly how their minds work. This isn't new....this has been going on for decades. Its not xenophobia my dear to state the truth as I believe it and have experienced it.


This kind of disrespect for African people I've only seen it with white South Africans, white Zimbabweans and white Namibians. It is xenophobia when you distrust people only because they come from somewhere or they look a certain way. Pure xenophobia.



And no there aren't more Africans than Scicilians that just silly I agree, the problem is once again culture clashes and fear, on a very small island which has to deal with these illegals on a daily basis and they are being overwhelmed from the sea. The migrant problem is probably the hottest topic for the locals at the moment and whilst most are removed to migrant centres there are those that escape in gangs and roam the countryside. Those are the ones to be afraid of. Tourist areas are the least affected, the outskirts of Palermo and the smaller villages it IS a problem


I am Italian. I stay and visit everywhere, not just the tourist areas. I don't live in Italy but I still have lots of family and friends there so I know what's going on.

Sicily has dealt with immigration and invasions for thousands of years, they can cope with what's going on now.

Also, in the 1800 it was the Sicilians emigrating to North Africa in the thousands. Nationalities that had emigrated in the past (or had invaded and/or colonized other countries) are hypocrites when they complain of immigration now.



posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 11:07 AM
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Like the rest of your xenophobic/right wing post you are wrong: there are MORE Italians than African migrants. From their most recent census:: 3.5% of the Sicilian population are immigrants = 96.5% are Italians

I had a feeling you would defend the presences of the African migrants in Eupore and Italy and attack my posts as xenophobic/wing just what you liberals always do. Insult and throw insults.

The census data link that u posted and tried to debunk and insult me with is a data from 2014. A census data before the massive arrivals by NGOs to sickly from 2015,2016,2017.

I can bet you right now if they try to update the census the data will be very very very different.



Cittadini Stranieri. Popolazione residente per sesso e cittadinanza al 31 dicembre 2014






Oh people have already learned from Brexit, they have all learned how the 2016 referendum was the most undemocratic and criminal vote in the history of the UK.

The EU has being showing how they aren't very democratic. The 2016 referendum was democratic. And it was decided by the British people who no longer wanted to be part of a joke that is the EU.
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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: Agartha




This kind of disrespect for African people I've only seen it with white South Africans, white Zimbabweans and white Namibians. It is xenophobia when you distrust people only because they come from somewhere or they look a certain way. Pure xenophobia.

You leftists and liberals always attack others as xenophobia or racist when it doesn't fit your agenda and narrative. Whats happening in Africa as well is a massacre on white people.

You Leftists ignore whats happening in Africa agaisnt white people.



I am Italian. I stay and visit everywhere, not just the tourist areas. I don't live in Italy but I still have lots of family and friends there so I know what's going on.

Your a leftist Italian that still defends open borders, African migrants whom the majority that came to Italy are all male.




Italy but I still have lots of family and friends there so I know what's going on.

I have a family in Italy to and they are agaisnt your African migrants and open borders

They stated these African migrants are not very friendly and are dangerous.


Its noticeable that u were triggered by the thread.
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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: Agartha

Just how many more Desirée Mariottini, Pamela Mastropietros victims does it need to happen until you Liberals start waking up to the reality out of this fantasy that your politicians are pushing this multiculturalism nonsense?


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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Its rather ironic that Agartha tried to convince me about the census data even though the link Agartha posted is an actual census data from 2014.



Foreign citizens. Resident population by gender and citizenship as of 31 December 2014


A year before the massive arrivals of illegal migrants. I am pretty sure if the Italian gov updates the census data it would be a very different story.

They haven't updated the census data for that area in three years and possibly for political reasons.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 04:51 AM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
I had a feeling you would defend the presences of the African migrants in Eupore and Italy and attack my posts as xenophobic/wing just what you liberals always do. Insult and throw insults.


Actually I only judged your post, never you, while you on the other hand call me all sort of names. You are the one throwing insults, I never did such thing, re-read my posts. I always focus on the topic, not the person writing, because that's what educated people do.


The census data link that u posted and tried to debunk and insult me with is a data from 2014. A census data before the massive arrivals by NGOs to sickly from 2015,2016,2017.


Its rather ironic that Agartha tried to convince me about the census data even though the link Agartha posted is an actual census data from 2014.


Insult? By posting links and data? LOL
And yes, the census is from 2014 hence I wrote 'from their MOST RECENT census'. Once again, re-read my post.


I can bet you right now if they try to update the census the data will be very very very different.


A year before the massive arrivals of illegal migrants. I am pretty sure if the Italian gov updates the census data it would be a very different story.

They haven't updated the census data for that area in three years and possibly for political reasons.


Oh dear me, so many wrong assumptions. Censuses in most countries are decennial, this means they are taken every ten years. So no, it's not political reasons, it's due to laws and regulations decided decades (or centuries) before.

This means that, for the time being, you have NO new data to show so we have to go with mine which is the latest and it shows clearly that Africans in Italy are a minuscule minority. I will not go by assumptions because that would be ignorant and wrong.




The EU has being showing how they aren't very democratic. The 2016 referendum was democratic. And it was decided by the British people who no longer wanted to be part of a joke that is the EU.


1) You want to discuss Brexit, go to the most recent Brexit thread and I will be more than happy to discuss it with you. I have plenty of statistics, evidence and data to post. In fact, I am still waiting for the Brexiteers here to refute what I have already posted.

2) I don't know where you live or where you are from, but the 2016 referendum was NOT democratic. Vote Leave committed the biggest electoral crime in the history of the UK democracy. Also, the three groups most affected by the results in the future were not allowed to vote, making it as democratic as the elections in North Korea or Zimbabwe.



Whats happening in Africa as well is a massacre on white people. You Leftists ignore whats happening in Africa agaisnt white people.


There is no massacre of white people in Africa at all, but please enlighten me with your evidence (and good evidence, not articles from right wing sites that only post lies the gullible/racist believe).

But I agree with you there was a massacre, of black people in the past.


I have a family in Italy to and they are agaisnt your African migrants and open borders
They stated these African migrants are not very friendly and are dangerous.


Of course some Italians are against African immigrants and whilst I agree a small percentage may be dangerous, the big majority are not. But Italians that complain do so just like every other xenophobic person: they know how little worth they have, they are incapable of bettering their lives by themselves so they look for a scapegoat, usually the darker looking foreigner.

Italy is in a terrible state right now, but not because of immigration, because of decades of government corruption. A perfect example is the bridge in Genova that collapsed because the EU funds sent to maintain infrastructure, were actually taken by individuals in charge (I have evidence to post if you want).

Immigration does not make a country poorer: look at Germany, look how many refugees it took in 2015 and yet it is the strongest economy in Europe and almost half of the refugees now speak German and are employed.




I will now re-post a paragraph you have conveniently ignored. Looking forward to read your response about it:


Also, in the 1800 it was the Sicilians emigrating to North Africa in the thousands. Nationalities that had emigrated in the past (or had invaded and/or colonized other countries) are hypocrites when they complain of immigration now.


So why is it ok for Sicilians to emigrate to North Africa in the thousands, and not for North Africans to emigrate to Sicily in the thousands?

Why is it ok for certain nationalities to emigrate in the thousands (and to invade others) but not the other way round?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:04 PM
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I agree a small percentage may be dangerous, the big majority are not.


And you know this because you meet them right? your turning out to be quite the anti Italian with your post.




Immigration does not make a country poorer: look at Germany, look how many refugees it took in 2015 and yet it is the strongest economy in Europe and almost half of the refugees now speak German and are employed.

Its rather ironic you used the German excuse and compression. When considering Germany has the largest Turkish migrant population.

Making the German Native people almost an minority.



now speak German

That's where i disagree with you.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:06 PM
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Insult? By posting links and data? LOL And yes, the census is from 2014 hence I wrote 'from their MOST RECENT census'. Once again, re-read my post.


You used an census data that has not being updated when the African Migrants arrived to Italy in 2015/2016,2017.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:13 PM
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Why is it ok for certain nationalities to emigrate in the thousands (and to invade others) but not the other way round?


Why is it ok for Europe and Italy to be replaced by Africans in the thousands and thousands of largely by male African male migrants?





Italy is in a terrible state right now, but not because of immigration

You live in a complete delusional world if you believe that these African Male Migrants will make either Europe or Italy a better place let alone the fact that Italy has 500,000 African Migrants already in from the last NGO waves. But its not a surprise.

You liberals always believe in open borders and multiculturalism but these same things will always bring chaos not diversity nor unity.





There is no massacre of white people in Africa at all, but please enlighten me with your evidence (and good evidence, not articles from right wing sites that only post lies the gullible/racist believe).

Yes i am sure South Africa is a prefect paradise right? thats why the white population there is booming right?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:16 PM
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2) I don't know where you live or where you are from, but the 2016 referendum was NOT democratic. Vote Leave committed the biggest electoral crime in the history of the UK democracy. Also, the three groups most affected by the results in the future were not allowed to vote, making it as democratic as the elections in North Korea or Zimbabwe.

The majority of users here would disagree with you though.




But Italians that complain do so just like every other xenophobic person:

Italians who complain are now xenophobic and racists because they are standing up for their own country and nation?

Its clear your a lefty and a very strong supporter to your failing European Union.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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Agartha
In Italy some Italian towns and villages, Italian native people are already getting replaced by the African/Arab migrants such is the example of the village Riace in the Province of Reggio Calabria.

Rather then saving the village by preserving or creating something for the Young Italian People that left who might return to the village.
Domenico Lucano decided of course not his own decision to have the village replaced with African/Arab migrants. He and Co decided to complexly change the area by importing and allowing the smuggled African/Arab migrants through some very crony deals and methods.


But this isn't the only village nor town that is getting population replaced by the African/Arab migrants.
You can deny this all you want Liberal but Europeans and Italians are getting replaced.

This is nothing positive. If you cant see whats going to happen or come next then i cant help change your thoughts.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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A tide in Europe is changing but Liberalism is no longer welcomed.
As for South Africa and yes Agartha whats happenning in South Africa is a massacre on the White people.
The fact that white people are only now 10% of the population says a lot whats going to happen in the next few short years.

National Assembly adopts report on land expropriation without compensation

You and Mainstream News Media outlets would claim that this land expropriation would take years but yet its already happening in South Africa.Africans are killing white farmers and killing their family members, threatening them even.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: MisterSpock

Scicily itself is quite a strange place really, not like mainland Italy.


Sicilly is very different and, generally speaking, they have a very different perspective on Islam in general. It is also a country that has been continuously invaded both militarily and culturally for thousands of years. Even during the Crusades there was a strong Islamic presence and Islam was freely practiced there. Indeed, the Kings of Sicily counted Emir's amongst their supporters.

Sicilly also has less problems with new migrants due to the openness and friendliness they give. Food for thought maybe?



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 01:25 PM
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Sicilly also has less problems with new migrants due to the openness and friendliness they give. Food for thought maybe?

I would disagree with that, maybe the politicians and political parties that actual have pro open border agenda but with more and more migrants in Sicilly.

Sicilly wont be very recognizable.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 01:40 PM
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But that's the point - Sicilly is different. It has nothing to do with politics or political agendas, it is the Sicillians themselves who are different. Generally speaking they are proud of their shared cultural heritage so Islamic migrants will always be looked at with fonder eyes than over on mainland Italy where there never was this blending of cultures.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 02:45 PM
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Wrong again. Your forgetting Sicilly is the main base and home of the mainland Italy Italian Mafia, they currently fans nor friendly to the new arrivals.




Even during the Crusades there was a strong Islamic presence and Islam was freely practiced there. Indeed, the Kings of Sicily counted Emir's amongst their supporters


Sure! i guess you could say that when their own supporters sale their own women and children to the invaders to be sold off as slaves to in Africa right?

Because thats what these traitors did. When Emir demanded slaves Sicilian supporters gladly obeyed their masters like good puppets. Nothing like forcing a culture or religion upon another country by force.

The the Kings of Sicily were puppets.

Ordinary Sicilians however aren't very friendly to outsiders as you claim.
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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: AtlasHawk
Your turning out to be quite the anti Italian with your post.


LOL so now refuting your posts with data and facts makes me anti-Italian? Sure pal, whatever rocks your boat.




Its rather ironic you used the German excuse and compression. When considering Germany has the largest Turkish migrant population. Making the German Native people almost an minority.


Sigh, again: only 5.5% of the German population is Turkish/Syrian. 80% of Germany's population are Germans of German ancestry - LINK -


Why is it ok for Europe and Italy to be replaced by Africans in the thousands and thousands of largely by male African male migrants?


This is getting ridiculous now. Please post evidence for your statements because they don't fit with reality: Europe and Italy are not being replaced by Africans. 5% of the population is not replacing anything.



A tide in Europe is changing but Liberalism is no longer welcomed.


Nah, there won't be a return to fascism and nazism, the big majority of people in Europe won't let history repeat itself.



As for South Africa and yes Agartha whats happenning in South Africa is a massacre on the White people.

Land expropriation is not a massacre. Massacre is killing.

According to the 2018 Land Audit report, 72% of agricultural land is owned by white farmers (down from 82% in the past). As you can see the white minority still owns most of the land, so I don't understand what you are talking about.
- EVIDENCE-


Africans are killing white farmers and killing their family members


Post your evidence because I read recently that farmers deaths in SA are the lowest they have ever been.

I need to add something: I am a nurse who works 13 hours shifts which means I won't be back here until Tuesday... just saying so you won't think I have run away. lol



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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The mayor may not be in office much longer.

Invia gli invasori a nuotare nell'oceano.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 05:20 PM
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This is getting ridiculous now. Please post evidence for your statements because they don't fit with reality: Europe and Italy are not being replaced by Africans. 5% of the population is not replacing anything.

It is what it is an Population replacement agenda.




5% of the population is not replacing anything.


Yes sure!! they are just 5% of the population is not replacing not when they start breeding and mixing with populations.
Look at Pairs, London its looking less and less European then it was 20 years ago and in such a short time to.
African/Arabs breed more then Europeans and that has being increasing their population in Europe.

When you make a claim "Oh Relax! their population is just below 5%! you have nothing to worry about" are larger proven wrong.




Nah, there won't be a return to fascism and nazism, the big majority of people in Europe won't let history repeat itself.

And what good has socialism, Liberalism done for Europe? nothing. Populism and populists aren't fascists. Fascists were leftists not right wingers.

You liberals seem to be confusing history by trying to reserve it.
NAZIS:National Socialism

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