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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I am on the left.
Guess what I am against illegal immigration, just about everyone is, you're not going to find many who say "ohhh yeah illegal immigration, go for it!"
This is turning into the biggest Strawman of recent times, claiming that the left support illegal immigration when nothing could be further from the truth. The issue is not if illegal immigration is right or wrong but simply how best to tackle the situation. The wall was always a bit of a daft idea in the first place, and it was a wall not the metaphorical mess its turned into now he's realised he can't built a literal wall at the boarder but nobody is really advocating open boarders.
Now what really gets me when it comes to Trump supporters over this is that Trump has essentially shutdown the government so he can break a campaign promise. His line all along was that Mexico is going to pay for the boarder wall (his promise was a literal wall), so why then is he shutting down government to get $5 Billion for said wall....?
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: LSU2018
originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: network dude
I just searched on the "Google " and duck, and I couldn't find dems supporting explicitly "open borders " or any bills indicating the want for open borders.
It seems like "the dems want open borders " naratives are peddled by the "right".
Which senator/ governor is for illegal immigration or open borders?
The liberal crowds cheered when Clinton said we need to build bridges, not walls.
To be fair though she was being metaphorical trump was being literal when he said he was going to build his wall.
originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: network dude
No I am not.
Because he's an idiot, but then again I'm not American. It would take years for me to be an American. That right there is why you have so many issues with illegal immigration.
I know an aspiring American (a few actually) who's been contributing to your tax system, been everything that a model citizen should be but here's the kicker.
He's lived their for years and still isn't an official American. Now let's say something messes up in his life towards the end of the process? He's gone, I wouldn't expect him to go home, I'd expect him to become "illegal".
Your system is out of date, walls won't fix that. As for the drugs and other illegal stuff coming across the border?
Yeah, they'll always find a way. It isn't hard to score in Australia, it isn't hard to score in the UK. A hard southern border in the US would not prohibit my ability to score in the US either.
Again nobody is against having borders, you keep spouting off nonsense without providing any evidence to make readers think otherwise. I call that bs, you're talking bs.
originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: network dude
I couldn't care about Trump tbh, he has no bearing on me, he doesn't hold free accommodation in my brain Mr REEEEE.
You're an extremist because you hold extremist views in regards to your fellow countrymen and women. You probably don't notice it though because you're a fanboy of a narcissistic liar. Seems you've learned from him since you like playing the victim card.
You've been asked multiple times to provide evidence of anyone never mind the left in regards to demanding open borders. You won't because you can't.
Just like your cult leader you are full of crap and blow nothing but air and lies out of your mouth.
Grow up.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
the point is, what Trump is asking for right now, is something lots of Americans want. And the cost isn't much in the big scheme of things. The contention exists, due to Trump being Trump. If Obama was asking for this, he would hear rounds of applause. In fact, I can show that a video of just that, if you like.
Ahhh right so is suppose then that means you supported Obama when there was a shutdown over ObamaCare because he was just doing what was in the interests of those who supported him.
Trump is thee least popular president in recent times (FACT) his there are more people in the country who oppose him than support him so for you and am sure for lots of others on ATS he is doing what his voters wanted. But most people didn't vote for him and his support is dropping all the time so he is acting in the interests of the minority at the detriment of the country right now because he wants to get his flagship wall through.
originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: PokeyJoe
I've known this guy for nearly 4 years, he has a Union job, speaks better English than many Americans and pays his taxes in full and on time. Has a family with an American. Still isn't a citizen.
I don't think you even understand the concept of 1st, 2nd or 3rd world countries.
Nobody said it was a right to immigrate to the states and to be a US citizen you already have to do those things you speak of. Seems you're clueless about your own immigration policies buddy.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I am on the left.
Guess what I am against illegal immigration, just about everyone is, you're not going to find many who say "ohhh yeah illegal immigration, go for it!"
This is turning into the biggest Strawman of recent times, claiming that the left support illegal immigration when nothing could be further from the truth. The issue is not if illegal immigration is right or wrong but simply how best to tackle the situation. The wall was always a bit of a daft idea in the first place, and it was a wall not the metaphorical mess its turned into now he's realised he can't built a literal wall at the boarder but nobody is really advocating open boarders.
Now what really gets me when it comes to Trump supporters over this is that Trump has essentially shutdown the government so he can break a campaign promise. His line all along was that Mexico is going to pay for the boarder wall (his promise was a literal wall), so why then is he shutting down government to get $5 Billion for said wall....?
originally posted by: kaylaluv
Liberal here. All for border security to keep the baddies out.
Here is what I also want: I want for the poor, but hard working people to be able to come here with a fast track to legal immigration, and at little to no cost to them. And by fast track, I don’t mean 2 or 5 or 10 years. I mean no more than 30 days, and they should be provided a comfortable, but secure place to stay here while they wait. Like a border military complex, or something.
Make that happen, and you can build whatever wall or fence you want.
It's been shown that previous administrations who are said to be superior and great, also wanted border security to be at the forefront of our agenda.
originally posted by: LSU2018
originally posted by: kaylaluv
Liberal here. All for border security to keep the baddies out.
Here is what I also want: I want for the poor, but hard working people to be able to come here with a fast track to legal immigration, and at little to no cost to them. And by fast track, I don’t mean 2 or 5 or 10 years. I mean no more than 30 days, and they should be provided a comfortable, but secure place to stay here while they wait. Like a border military complex, or something.
Make that happen, and you can build whatever wall or fence you want.
Legal immigration is fine the way it is. Why do you want it to be fast track?
originally posted by: PokeyJoe
originally posted by: BrianFlanders
IMO, the whole thing is just another mental diversionary tactic. TPTB are probably up to something none of them are talking about and the media is feeding the public a steady diet of this garbage to fill in the gaps. And this isn't the only "issue" that has that smell to it. For years they have been (seemingly pointlessly) deliberately distracting the public with intellectual trash that is obviously specifically crafted to turn "the public debate" into the Springer Show. Or something akin to an all the time episode of WWE.
Well, Trump is a WWE Hall of Famer, after all. It comes natural to him.
originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: network dude
Still making stuff up huh?
I'm not for or against Trump, I'm just speaking my mind about how pathetic he is, a lot like the rabid supporters who suck farts out of his ass.
Do they taste of orange?
No, I'm against bs and extremism. I've been calling it out for years here. Seems others are realising it too.
Again a common theme I've seen in the US is people overstaying their visa, people being unable to afford the path to citizenship. Focusing on walls seems a bit pointless, I know why you lot do though... The gas has gone to your heads.
So basically you agree with me on immigration? Why don't you tell Trump to sort that out then instead of boring us all with the same weak assed bs?
What are your solutions to prevent illegal immigration? People are still going to cross illegally into the country, how do you propose to stop them?
originally posted by: kaylaluv
Liberal here. All for border security to keep the baddies out.
Here is what I also want: I want for the poor, but hard working people to be able to come here with a fast track to legal immigration, and at little to no cost to them. And by fast track, I don’t mean 2 or 5 or 10 years. I mean no more than 30 days, and they should be provided a comfortable, but secure place to stay here while they wait. Like a border military complex, or something.
Make that happen, and you can build whatever wall or fence you want.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: network dude
Nice exaggeration. Own it you're an extremist.
Nobody wants open borders and the only person screaming like a little girl is you.
Grow up you're almost as cenile as the grand umpa lumpa.
I'm an extremist. Define that for me please.
You have TDS. will you own that?
originally posted by: Painterz
Why turn this issue into yet another febrile attack on 'the left'?
Most people of all political leanings are in favour of legal migration. They might disagree with what that legal migration looks like, but, generally speaking, everybody thinks that having poor desperate starving people sneaking over borders is not a good solution to any of the problems of migrations.
And yet we have these alt-right ideologues and puppets constantly screaming hysterically that 'lefties want to throw open our borders! aaaarrrrgh! Daddy-Trump must save meeeee!'
originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: PokeyJoe
I've known this guy for nearly 4 years, he has a Union job, speaks better English than many Americans and pays his taxes in full and on time. Has a family with an American. Still isn't a citizen.
I don't think you even understand the concept of 1st, 2nd or 3rd world countries.
Nobody said it was a right to immigrate to the states and to be a US citizen you already have to do those things you speak of. Seems you're clueless about your own immigration policies buddy.