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This is why your lefties seem unhinged

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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Moresby
Of course, being "unhinged" is what ATS is all about. But that's even more true since it became ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS instead of ABOVE TOP SECRET.


I'm afraid your PC is broken. When you get it fixed, you will notice that there are people who oppose Trump here as well, and they post their opinions on this very site. glad I could help out.




Yeah there's like 10 of us...




posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: network dude


They are places where you can legally cross into the United States and conversely, Mexico. We (again, those who aren't nuts) would prefer that those entering our nation, do so through those already provided areas.


The majority do. But then they have their kids snatched from them, put in camps, and many are deported without the chance at legal asylum.

The people doing it legally are treated like they are doing it illegally by this administration.

That is the problem.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: Waterglass
Ya, if anything it would help along in the infrastructure of the US and along the border, and if anything, you would probably get more immigrants both legal and the illegal variety, because you know, profit. That would be coming to that area if there is any actual work going to be there, not just citizens, both for work and like you said businesses and supply chains and everything in between.

But then again there is a million ways one can improve the infrastructure, that's one I suppose. And while it would be cool if there is a wall built, just to go across it on a bike or something all across 4 states to see the scenery. Even if they started yesterday or 10 years ago, it still wont be built in your lifetime. I think it took something like 200 years to build the great wall of china, and they were constantly upgrading and rebuilding the whole 2000 years, till present no doubt.

The mountain of used tires can be used for that or a bunch of other things. But I would not be counting on taking any cross country trips any time soon. Its likely they will be arguing about this left and right thing for generations to come most likely. If not trump then it would be somebody else, and even if they get whoever else in office. It would take at least a generation for them to figure out there clueless on things, and then it would take another generation till they admit it.

So ya! There is a reason why in ancient times tyrants existed. And in a generation or two, the people may be crying for one to take power. Trump is as far from that as a cat is from being a tiger. We went from a few oppressive powers to having many voices all clambering at once that they are the one true way. To who knows, in time back again we go.

Ever heard the expression to many cooks in the kitchen? Really all it would take is to decide on something, anything really. And just do it already, and things would move forward. But till then. Enjoy the # show.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 10:15 PM
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$5 billion for a wall isn't that much. But I think one of the problems is that conservatives try to manipulate people with propaganda that makes Hispanics seem more dangerous than they are. So what? One Hispanic illegal immigrant is a murderer. How many white people murder on a daily basis? How many white men are mass shooters? Should we ban white men? I can't even think of one Hispanic mass shooter.

If you want to do a real analysis of the effects of illegal immigration on the U.S., you have to use statistics and real facts, not emotional stories and fabrications. A lot of conservatives think that illegal immigrants drain America of welfare resources, which is overstated, and not even true in most cases.


Immigrants are less likely than native-born Americans to use welfare programs and don’t even qualify for welfare benefits in most cases. Not only don’t immigrants come to the US to use welfare, but in many cases potential immigrants must prove their financial independence before even qualifying for a visa, making them far less likely to need support than native-born Americans.

This is a myth that has been getting a lot of attention lately, with some of the highest elected officials in the land arguing that we must curb legal immigration so that immigrants can’t, in the words of Donald Trump, “Come in and just immediately go sign up for welfare.” [1] False claims like that one are based on studies which have shown that a majority of “immigrant households” use some kind of social welfare program – but these claims are based on a statistical sleight of hand that misrepresents reality.


Poverty Myth: Immigrants Come to the US to use Welfare

So here's the idea. If you want a wall, use statistics and facts to back up your arguments, not bull#. It will help, trust me. Another solution would be to INCREASE access to legal immigration in order to reduce illegal immigration.

There are a lot of farms and businesses that rely on the hard-working Hispanic workforce to do low-paying labor. And pretty much every Hispanic I know has a better work ethic than the white people I know. They also have better family values than the white families I know. And I've met a lot of people in my life.
edit on 04pmFri, 04 Jan 2019 22:22:04 -0600kbpmkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 01:27 AM
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"Lefties" care just as much about border security, but we also respect international laws and the rights of human beings to seek refuge. The reality is that the number of people crawling through dust to sneak across the border illegally aren't there to justify any of this hyped up bull#. Fencing and patrols at vulnerable points is doing a fine job.
The majority of the people here illegally came here through other means. Then you have people here on things like expired visas- which isn't a crime. It's a civil matter.
The truth is, Trump doesn't want a wall. He wants the issue. He wants to keep screaming about a wall. It gets his bigoted, chicken little base all hyped up and delivering their gross little knee-jerk bigoted votes to feed his narcissism.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: oloufo

I can go from my house in Ohio, to any other State in this Union without a Passport.

So, not sure what you're trying to prove here.

How does it work when you LEAVE the EU to another country NOT in the EU........



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:17 AM
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originally posted by: MrPlow
"Lefties" care just as much about border security, but we also respect international laws and the rights of human beings to seek refuge. The reality is that the number of people crawling through dust to sneak across the border illegally aren't there to justify any of this hyped up bull#. Fencing and patrols at vulnerable points is doing a fine job.
The majority of the people here illegally came here through other means. Then you have people here on things like expired visas- which isn't a crime. It's a civil matter.
The truth is, Trump doesn't want a wall. He wants the issue. He wants to keep screaming about a wall. It gets his bigoted, chicken little base all hyped up and delivering their gross little knee-jerk bigoted votes to feed his narcissism.


what are the numbers?



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: darkbake

it sounds like we are close to being on the same page. But since Trump, it's a no go.

I feel like we need to fix the legal immigration system and that alone would make a difference, but when you look at the numbers of how many cross illegally (there aren't real numbers on that, since we don't know how many are successful.) it's clear that a problem exists.
50,000 a month, and these are just the one's that got caught.

So does that represent a problem, or is that OK?



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Moresby
Of course, being "unhinged" is what ATS is all about. But that's even more true since it became ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS instead of ABOVE TOP SECRET.


I'm afraid your PC is broken. When you get it fixed, you will notice that there are people who oppose Trump here as well, and they post their opinions on this very site. glad I could help out.




Yeah there's like 10 of us...


then ignoring you would be the winning route. I think you count funny.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 06:24 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: darkbake

it sounds like we are close to being on the same page. But since Trump, it's a no go.

I feel like we need to fix the legal immigration system and that alone would make a difference, but when you look at the numbers of how many cross illegally (there aren't real numbers on that, since we don't know how many are successful.) it's clear that a problem exists.
50,000 a month, and these are just the one's that got caught.

So does that represent a problem, or is that OK?




I didn't read the link but I take it the title is accurate? 50000 a month caught like really?



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

no, it's totally fake news, made up. Don't even bother to read it. Just claim it's not real, and you hold the moral high ground.



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Its one hell of a show especially with the new Congress. Ever notice that the USA hillbillies have been under attack ever since Hillary mentioned the "Deplorables" back in 2016.

New World Order dudes know that they have to take out the Hillbillies up in them thar mountains. IE: Afghanistan

Sorry I am off topic?



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: network dude

That WaPo article also says this:



Most of the increase in border traffic this spring has been fueled by families and teenagers from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, many of whom say they are fleeing gang violence and wish to apply for asylum in the United States.

“Throwing everything and the kitchen sink at these vulnerable asylum seekers is not working, as the forces driving them are much stronger than the cruel deterrence policies being deployed by the administration,” said Kevin Appleby, the senior director of international migration policy at the Center for Migration Studies in New York. “Addressing these forces is the best and most humane way to end this flow,” Appleby said.


So any discussion of immigration reform and border security should look at the “why” of this influx, not just the increasing bottleneck at the border. The root of the problem is more horror is happening where they live than along the road to the US border, or even in the hands of border patrol. Seems like one of the the most powerful nations in the world could work on an international level to stem the tide of violence in other countries that end up with their people at our doorstep? But that requires funding too.

Anyway. I don’t have exact solutions here, but desperate people will take a small chance of a better life over a certain chance of death, whether we want them to or not. Wouldn’t you look st your precious family and make the choice to survive, possibly even thrive, in a safer, better country??

We can’t fight human nature and unless we want to become evil we can’t just shoot down or indefinitely imprison for profit everyone who comes over the border without permission. Building a wall doesn’t deal with the root of the problem. It doesn’t even deal most efficiently with the issue of border security.

We can do more than one thing. It is difficult for people to grasp that “foreign aid” as well as diplomacy and efforts made by a strong State Department can dovetail with border security and have the the win win of making the world a better place, or at least less terrible.

Just thoughts...



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

yes, the "why" is hugely important. But it doesn't change the part where we have vulnerable spots where no barrier exists, and the Border Patrol people have asked for more support. Even if it were just Mexican brown PPL.

ETA: and yes, the fall of the Socialistic government in Valenzuela is a factor. Many bad things are happening, some of which aren't even Trump's fault.
edit on 5-1-2019 by network dude because: added thought



posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Well, in spite of the little jab there, at least we agree that it is also unhealthy to have nearby countries disrupted with gangs and massive unrest.

I’m not disagreeing that the border needs security and funding. I disagree with the HOW, not the WHAT.

You began this thread saying the left is unhinged. I don’t speak for the entire left, only myself, but if you think at this point I am “ unhinged ” then it’s all on you and what you want to believe.

I can find unhinged supporters of Trump and there are unhinged people on the left.

But as to the general border stance of the left from what I see, it’s completely rational from the majority of the left.
It is not unhinged to have a different opinion on how to do something vital.




posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Sigh!

The article is claiming 50000 caught a month that's like 12500 a week or around 1500 a day, that's a lot. Also it claims there are 11000 children in custody, that's putrid.

Can you explain why the big hooha over the migrant caravans of 20 and 30000 taking months to arrive was such a massive deal then? Seems the right are the unhinged ones.

Most lefties agree border security is important it seems however just because they dont jump up and down in a tantrum to get this wall they are accused of being unhinged and for open borders which is complete rubbish.
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posted on Jan, 5 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: Waterglass
I think I must have watched about 5 hours in total of so called news in the last 15 years on the TV, and that is also taking into account the random peeps I took when walking in front of a TV, mostly waiting in line for something like at a store, or car dealership waiting to get things fixed.

So no, I don't keep up with whats trending. Never knew that the hillbillies were under attack, or smear campaigns, but I suppose it can happen. I feel that I have wasted time even reading this thread. But in all, the wall? Like I said earlier, it will be no great wall of china that's for sure. Even if they tried, it would take a long time.

And not only that, everybody is acting like things will change dramatically. No they wont, not much will change even with a wall across the border. Or at least in daily life, or even all that much for immigrants, and most illegals will just likely go the legal route, and those that make it here, well they will likely end up opening Mexican food stands along the wall route along with there families, and with all the other businesses that will creep up eventually, because you build a wall, eventually in time, it will end up a hub of migration and not of just people.

In all the wall is such a none issue, I dont even see what there is to talk about. And so. If they wanted to really change things. They should have started 20 or 10 years ago, in pretty much anything they do, not just this wall issue. Its not exactly rocket science here, if they cant figure that out, then they truly are some idiots.

As there least favorite people like to say. Git Er Done...WTF are they waiting for already, they got the money, the time, it would be cake basically, child's play. Most especially considering the other things government spends way more on, which really has achieved either nothing, or very little. And if they dont like the wall then do something else if they think they got a better idea.

I never knew these "left" people were so polarized, but if there anything like that guy in the vid earlier about the smoke shop worker dude who got all over nothing, because a guy was wearing a trump shirt, and started screaming and wailing like a goat in heat, or a toddler throwing a tantrum, there is something seriously wrong with all that.

Personally I don't think those kind of people are that prevalent, but that is just dam right bizarre behavior.



posted on Jan, 6 2019 @ 07:32 AM
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originally posted by: galadofwarthethird


In all the wall is such a none issue, I dont even see what there is to talk about. And so. If they wanted to really change things. They should have started 20 or 10 years ago, in pretty much anything they do, not just this wall issue. Its not exactly rocket science here, if they cant figure that out, then they truly are some idiots.




I'd suggest a little informative digging, before you call others idiots.
en.wikipedia.org...

This was a priority of both parties in the past, and amazingly enough, it's been something the American people have been behind for quite some time. Only recently has the "open borders" radical ideals found their way to the forefront. Much like the rise of Socialism. But the point is, yes, it was on the radar back then, and even the lefties were for it. This time, it's just a Trump hate thing. When Trump is gone, it will be back to something the left wants.



posted on Jan, 6 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: MrPlow
"Lefties" care just as much about border security, but we also respect international laws and the rights of human beings to seek refuge. The reality is that the number of people crawling through dust to sneak across the border illegally aren't there to justify any of this hyped up bull#. Fencing and patrols at vulnerable points is doing a fine job.
The majority of the people here illegally came here through other means. Then you have people here on things like expired visas- which isn't a crime. It's a civil matter.
The truth is, Trump doesn't want a wall. He wants the issue. He wants to keep screaming about a wall. It gets his bigoted, chicken little base all hyped up and delivering their gross little knee-jerk bigoted votes to feed his narcissism.
International law
I only care about America. Why would you put international law first before your self and country?
That is what is wrong here, severely wrong.



posted on Jan, 6 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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Why are there so many drug cartels in Mexico? Where do 450,000 kids in the USA disappear per year per the FBI ~ 2017 in the USA. Adults? All of that stuff just doesn't happen by itself. Its organized. Build the wall



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