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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: network dude
Why was Obama and Bill Clinton wrong for wanting more border security?
I never said they were wrong.
originally posted by: chr0naut
The US has done so and continues to do so.
Our government didn't make any special deal with the company at all.
Apple merely discovered a loophole in taxation agreements between Australia and New Zealand.
They stole by means of tax avoidance.
Ask yourself how do individuals bringing their 'operations' into your country 'steal jobs and money'? A large company is a corporatization of individual actions. As such, it does the same thing, but at scale. I'm sure you can see the rationale.
The tax dollars, within a country's economy, are the property of the government and people of that country. Apple is being operated outside of New Zealand. The profits that they made do not stay within New Zealand. Taxation is a normal cost of business.
Tax avoidance is as illegal in New Zealand as it is in the US.
Your excuse is vapid and doesn't stand up in the US or NZ.
Yes.
They also employ local workers, who no doubt paid their personal income tax with no idea of the company's malfeasance.
Nope, there are similarities.
Especially in that someone is trying to avoid taxation and other legally mandated charges, and, similarly, the employers in both cases are the ones who profit the most and bear the least penalty for the infraction.
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: SlapMonkey
Why not just use 1.6 billion dollars on border security?
and a physical barrier in strategic locations would be a very good step.
"Why not just give him the additional $5-billion for border security?"
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: SlapMonkey
That is what the 1.6b was for.
Why not? And while we are at it why not give another 5 billion to universal healthcare? And another 5 for infrastructure. Another 5 for work in renewable energy.
I don't think any of that is less important than border security so why don't we fund it all?
originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: Blue_Jay33
its against the law to enter a border illegally.
i would say most of us would agree.
but there is too much fear and paranoia. the weak against the weakest. kind of sad. most of these 'illegals' are just people, no monsters.
originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
Actually Clinton did get a wall. It was never finished because of lawsuits from private land owners. The lawsuits are still ongoing. Even if Trump got approval for the wall, it couldn't be built because of these lawsuits and all the new ones that would come in. These are the people you all say are in danger and they don't see the need to have a wall, and certainly do not want it on their property which also extends into Mexico.
And to hold the government hostage over all of this. No I do not agree with mr. president.