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UFO MIB / US Gov Thread.

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posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

Thanks for the reply mate and good luck with that digging (keep us posted) -certainly a very interesting legend.

When it comes to UFO MIB shenanigans, this gentleman also tells a strange tale about a UFO photograph being requested for analysis and, upon delivering it to a specific address, goes back only to find all the furniture gone and no one there.



See 1:40




This tobacco farm UFO/MIB case is also a bit of a freaky one.





posted on Jan, 10 2019 @ 01:36 PM
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Turns out UFO researcher Stan Gordon also had a bit of a shock when he enquired whether a certain UFO witness would be willing to undergo hypnosis and he replied 'You already did the hypnosis'.

Apparently 'an army guy and a guy in a suit' had already conducted it whilst posing as two of Gordon's UFO research team:





This 1971 East Midlands case involving Jim Wilson and investigated by Jenny Randles is also rather odd.



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 08:33 AM
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This tobacco farm UFO/MIB case is also a bit of a freaky one.


Love your thread, mate, and I just had to comment that Beyond Creepy is my favourite YouTube channel!

Good job!

BT



posted on Jan, 11 2019 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: karl 12


Don’t know how I missed this; marking for later.



posted on Jan, 12 2019 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: beetee

Love your thread, mate, and I just had to comment that Beyond Creepy is my favourite YouTube channel


Good to see you mate and yes BC certainly has a talent for discovering and presenting some of the lesser known (and utterly bizarre) UFO cases - found this incident involving Sharon Stull to be completely bonkers - talk about physiological effects!

Keeping with the MIB topic Nick Redfern goes into a bit more detail about his research below, there's also a good PDF file courtesy of Isaac containing a UFOM article from Easley and Hilberg.





PDF File: MIB: A Report On The Mystery Men In Black Who Have Terrorised UFO Witnesses And Investigators In All Parts Of The Nation


Cheers.
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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 04:05 AM
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Full account of Shirley Greenfield's experience with MIB after witnessing a UFO in Bolton, January 23rd, 1976:




On the evening of Monday January 23, 1976 17-year-old Shirley Greenfield (a pseudonym) was on the bus returning from the office she worked at in Bolton to her new home on the West Pennine Moors, a part of the range of hills known as the Pennines, just outside the town. This is a part of Britain that has been fraught with UFO activity for many years.

Shirley got off the bus at 5.20pm. It was almost dark and the streets were quiet. Her walk from the bus stop to her home took less than ten minutes and she was nearly home when she noticed two lights cavorting over a reservoir. In seconds, the lights swooped down on her to become a metallic disc directly overhead, possibly thirty feet across and spinning like a top. It was as if they had picked her out amongst the gloom of the streets. An invisible force pressed her hard to the ground. Metal fillings in her teeth "vibrated" and a tangy taste filled her mouth. Shirley feared that this unseen "force" would crush her. One half hour of "missing time" was noted when she arrived home, terror-stricken and unable to speak from the shock of the experience.

The event was reported to the police, who refused to investigate and turned the story over to the media. Not seeking publicity, Shirley refused to cooperate with the local press and turned down a lucrative offer for a filmed television interview. Her health had deteriorated and she took to her bed for several days with muscle aches and nausea and vomiting. Her eyes hurt and watered and were quite red. She had unexplained burn marks on her arm and side, as well as a strange purple rash on her neck and shoulders. In her mouth, top dental fillings crumbled into powder and fell out, while some bottom fillings became embedded into the gums.

On Monday, February 2nd, Shirley’s mother intercepted a telephone call from a man who would only identify himself as "someone who investigates these things" that asked about her daughter's health and whether any marks had been left on the girl's body as a result of her ordeal. The mother put the caller off.

At 7:00 PM on the following evening, two men arrived at the Greenfield home and demanded "to interrogate" the girl. Both men appeared about 40 and wore crisp black suits and denied being either UFOlogists or journalists. The father initially refused to let them in. One man, tall and fair, almost blond, did all the talking and sternly responded with, "If you do not let us in now, we will come back later and make Shirley speak to us."

Neither man used names. Both had an air of authority and conducted themselves as if they had every right to do and say whatever they chose. The silent partner sat on a chair and held a square black box with no visible moving parts. It was said to be a high-tech recording device. Although this intense grilling session lasted three hours, at no time was any recording tape changed.

The tall one was rude to the point of aggression.

This visit ended with a threat to be silent.

"You must not talk about this matter. It is in your interests not to do so. Nobody will believe you, in any case. In particular, you must not talk to UFO investigators."

The pair left in a large black car.

Mr. Greenfield still wonders, "You know, I have never been able to understand why I did not throw them out. Why I let them hound Shirley for hour after hour. I would normally not tolerate something like this. Why did I let them do this thing?"

The mother was creeped out by the man who had not spoken all night. He continually stared intently at her daughter the entire evening.

These mystery men telephoned the very next day and again a week later. They were still concerned about whether or not the girl had any unusual marks on her body following her ordeal. Shirley finally admitted that, yes, there were marks, but they were gone now. This seemed to satisfy the visitors. They did not contact the family again.

Under the auspices of Dr. Albert Kellar in Manchester, Shirley was hypnotized and asked to relive both the UFO sighting and the visit by the two Men in Black. She reacted in absolute terror to the visit by the MIB and the doctor was forced to abandon the experiment because her vital signs rose to dangerous levels. Even so, Shirley offered a possible clue:

“I don’t understand... He’s talking to me twice.”

This MIB had supposedly interrogated her on two different levels. During the visit, messages had acted upon her subconscious mind in a form of subliminal communication. This advances notions of mental hypnotic suggestion and those Experiments in Distant Influence documented by Dr. Leonid L. Vasiliev


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Does sound similar to this MUFON investigated Virginia case where MIBs were waiting in a diner for a UFO witness ' to discuss his sighting' - even though the man just decided to eat there 30 seconds earlier.

State Director for MUFON Susan Swiatek goes into more detail about the incident in the presentation below and (along with taped witness testimony) also lists parallels with the Bolton case as described above.



See 1:21:41



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posted on Jan, 13 2019 @ 09:49 AM
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See 59:12




Robert Fleischer describes a close range pilot UFO encounter from Germany on August 13th, 1976 where a yellow, oval shaped object flew just off the left wing of a Piper Arrow aircraft.

Apparently the pilot's magnetic compass was spinning wildly and Hanover Airport also confirmed the UFO on radar - two F4 Phantom jets were sent up to investigate and the object departed at high speed (compass went back to normal).

Upon landing a military van (without licence plates) pulled up to the plane and five men with suits got out - they wouldn't identify who they worked for but detained and interrogated the pilot for over 3 hours in an underground room on airport property.

After the questioning they tried to make him sign a document stating that he would never disclose details of his UFO sighting to the public, the pilot refused and they then threatened to suspend his pilot's licence - subsequently parts of the lower aircraft had become permanently magnetised and had to be replaced.
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posted on Jan, 17 2019 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: beetee

and I just had to comment that Beyond Creepy is my favourite YouTube channel!


Unfortunately BC has just been demonetised by YouTube (link) - hope he can continue to put out more content.



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 06:44 AM
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a reply to: karl 12

I know... I was pretty saddened by that, tbh..



posted on Jan, 23 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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Honestly, I don't think any government has ever had a remote
chance of keeping up with or downing a UFO. Roswell may have
been a very unique circumstance where a UFO actually suffered
a catastrophic flight failure. However, I really doubt it.

If these craft are extraterrestrial, they just completed a profoundly
phenomenal journey to come to Earth. Just their capability to
harness the energy for such a trip, would clearly tell you they
have the capability to manipulate the fundamental laws of physics.
They should also be easily have the capability to manipulate and/or create any complex
biological construct. So the idea of them wanting to perform experiments on us,
just doesn't seem logical. The organization of life on earth is actually very
conducive to genesis. I believe other life our there would be constructed much
in the same way. I mean how many rivers flow uphill?

In essence, their very capability to even be here, would indicate
they would NOT be interested in us distinctively. Their own existence
would also indicate that other life exists in our galaxy/universe/time interval,
and we would just be another species in the galactic zoo.

I think there is as much of a chance of aliens visiting us, as us (from the future)
visiting us. I'm pretty confident, the humans from the future, would
have much more conviction to intimately engage with us, than any
extraterrestrial entity would.

Personally, I think the government knows that life exists out there, and
may have even found ways to extrapolate data from intelligence gathered
about said life. Perhaps some of our technological capabilities have incredibly
been gleaned by merely observing other civilizations from afar. Incredible minds
could put together the bits of granular data into very impressive discovery.

If you can imagine the fundamental importance of the extraterrestrial subject,
it wouldn't be hard to see the immense value of manipulation available to
the most artistic strategists the powers that be have access to.

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posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: karl 12

I know... I was pretty saddened by that, tbh..


Seems they're at it with quite a few UFO/Conspiracy YouTube Channels mate - not very good news for future research.


When it comes to BC thought this compilation had a few potential freaky candidates - this one investigated by Keel involving 2 police officers encountering a UFO is also a very strange one (no MIB though).

Sounds completely bizarre but Albert Rosales does state in the interview below about separate, international reports involving 'cars' being dropped off by UFOs.. but doesn't mention if they're Cadillacs.



See 43:30




This Welsh incident from November ,1997 also involves 2 plain clothes men warning a family not to talk about their experiences.



A well researched case of alien abduction comes from Wales, and well-known researcher Margaret Fry. The case involves missing time and lost memories, a typical scenario for abduction. Multiple sightings of UFOs over the Great Orme, a legendary and mysterious mountainous region in North Wales, preceded the events of November 10, 1997 by several days. One family would have their entire lives changed within a short period of time by encountering a strange UFO.

amily was motoring on the Bodfair-Landemog highway, when without a warning, their car was overwhelmed by a purple flying object which seemed to attach itself to their car. This brief moment of terror would be followed by another in which the UFO was gone. They were again driving their car down the road, but now they were trying to understand what had happened. The had not a clue.

Margaret Fry's Statement:
"But they could not account for considerable hours of time lost," said Fry.
"The male was having trouble afterwards with a top molar tooth and he had to go to the dentist's... and a black unknown object fell out while he was at the dentist's-but he had no fillings," she said.

Men in Black:

After the trip to the dentist's office, the husband made a report of the family's strange encounter on the highway to local authorities. Shortly thereafter, he was visited on two separate occasions by plain-clothed men identifying themselves as Air Force personnel. He was warned to never talk about his family's incident. The men looked like the legendary American "men in black."


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Cheers.



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 01:10 PM
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Sounds completely bizarre but Albert Rosales does state in the interview below about separate, international reports involving 'cars' being dropped off by UFOs.. but doesn't mention if they're Cadillacs

rosales is one of the few people that still study UFOs seriously these days



posted on Jan, 24 2019 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: humanoidlord

He did a great job sourcing this one.





Location. Stratford, Ontario, Canada

Date: April 25 1978 Time: afternoon


UFO Researcher, Pat De La Franier was at his office going over some detailed UFO reports he wanted to present on a local UFO program when there was a sudden knock at the door. Now, where his office is located, he could hear everyone coming in the main door, being admitted, and then walking down the hall. But this knock came from nowhere, and when he opened the door, there was a very odd-looking man standing there. He was dressed entirely in black. He was about 5 ft 6 inches tall, extremely thin, with a slightly enlarged head.
His hair was just nubs, as if he had been completely shaved and the hair was just growing back. His skin had a strange olive hue. His lips were very thin, and his cheeks were so sunken in that they looked like they were pinned on the inside. His eyes were dark and extremely long; they literally wrapped around his temples. La Franier stated that he had never seen eyes like that, “They just bored into me”. The stranger just stood there staring at the witness, who did not move. La Franier was fixated on his eyes and he felt intruded upon on a mental level. Finally, after a full minute, he spoke. “Would you like a photograph of your family?” It was a strange question, and his voice was very strange, too. It was low and hesitant as if this man had absolutely no conception of how to speak, how to put a sentence together. His English was impeccable, but he was struggling to get through the sentence. La Franier said no that he did not need any more pictures. And with that the stranger stepped back, turned and just disappeared. The man was completely gone, later La Franier discovered that many of his files and papers were missing.

HC addendum

Source: Susan Michaels, “Sightings: UFOs”


Ontario- UFO Entities and Other Similar Encounters in Ontario



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: karl 12

john keel found a bunch reports of phamton photographers who would take photos of UFO witnesses or their homes for no obvious reason



posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: humanoidlord

Absolutely right mate and that' s one of the main premises of his vid and this thread.

This man also claims to have witnessed a Peruvian UFO in a cliff and men in black (camouflage) cleaned up the area stating they were from the "Department Of Energy".


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posted on Jan, 25 2019 @ 06:38 PM
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a reply to: karl 12

there is yet another type of MIB, wich fixes the witness boiler



posted on Jan, 26 2019 @ 09:48 AM
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I have always liked this testimony.

In an effort to check a bit on his story I found that this military unit actually deployed to this area in that timeframe, as part of the "War On Drugs".

Interesting also about evidence being removed and a lot of foreign personell being part of the operation.

Weigand is just as bewildered by his experience as anyone would be, and it is also curious that his description of the downed craft fitsquite well with the Tic-Tac from the Nimitz encounter.



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 11:45 AM
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Fascinating stuff mate and that testimony always interested me as well - could of course be very wrong but he doesn't seem to me to be making it up.

Turns out Gary Wood also reported (under hypnosis) a MIB on board the UFO involved in the A70 abduction.



.. Bizarrely, he also recalled a small man apparently quite human dressed in a neat black suit complete with collar and tie who was watching the proceedings. He was standing among the entities all of which seemed quite deferential towards him.

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This BC vid also contains quite a few other very weird MIB encounters and excerpts from a rare episode of 'Sightings' dealing with the subject (see 37:10).

In one other case a mystery gentleman also turns up and confiscates Bigfoot hair samples and photographs and also destroys footprints - see 32:00




Cheers.
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: karl 12

there is yet another type of MIB, wich fixes the witness boiler


Will look out for that one mate.



Catalogue of Humanoid Cases 1965-2006



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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I remember watching his body language when this came out and thought he is doing memory recall facial moves for pretty much his entire testimony, not looking up for inspiration of a story he didn't experience.


Also I have to watch the Scotland Aug 18 video you linked tonight, I was backpacking around there on that very date




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