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Another Crazy REEEE Incident by a Lefty: This Time in a Vape Store.

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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:22 AM
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originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: SailorJerry

It's funny that by your logic, a Christian employee at planned parenthood can refuse service to eager abortion patients cause it would offend them. Under your logic planned parenthood would have to bow to the employee due to refusal of service for any reason. You can't be THAT delusional.

Clearly you have an agenda here. Employees and their opinions do NOT have legal authority over their employers.

This has gone beyond absurd. Time for bed. Cant wait to see whatever else comes out of this.


Like the thing that employees "get to" sue their employers on the basis of "free speech" if their shoe brand have taken a staunch divisive political stance and the brand logo covers much of the entire side of the shoes all brazen like.

MUH SHOES R FREEEEEEEE SCREECH RAWR!!!
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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:24 AM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

How is refusing a Trump supporter different to refusing a gay?



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

Not letting someone buy a widget off a shelf (widgets that have no bearing one way or another on identity this or religion that mind you), versus insisting an artisan hand bake and decorate something that is morally reprehensible "according to" their GOD etc. I mean just 'making' someone make something TABOO that is gross to them -without the religious implications angles- alone is a far more complicated scenario then just handing someone a widget off a shelf and accepting their payment (or say letting them order a plate of food that is the same end product thats being served to everyone else).

It'd be like insisting these REEEE "liberals" have to make "Trump is SUPER AWESOME" cakes. How to you imagine that going down if they cant even handle handing them a widget?
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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:39 AM
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That was a trip, so Trump T shirts can cause meltdowns, I really hope there is a warning on the label of the shirt. What a massive douchebag..



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I fully support a companies right to refuse for whatever reason.

You're choosing to mis-understand the concept of the whole debate. If I owned a bakery I wouldn't give full reign to my employees to boot anyone wearing certain clothing. You're assuming the guy had the intent to antagonize prior to the video, and I'm not based on lack of evidence that you are assuming exists.

The only one I saw screeching was the cashier. You're making the assumptions here. As business owner yourself I can only guess from your statements you'd fire the employee and refuse service to the maga guy based on assumptions.

Well. Agree to disagree but don't go telling me I'm the one with the assumptions here. The only insane bastard I saw from the video presented was from the guy behind the counter. I suspect many agree. Many don't. And that's mainly cause they'll stick up for any maga hat hater whom screeches like a banshee every time they see one.


Hah , I think youre choosing to misunderstand the premise of your own disdain
Youre championing this pissant being fired and hurrahing his being upset and the denying this guy of serivice, yet your stupid hypocrisy, cant see that you are pushing the same sheitfor those that deny cakes.

Good god man, the poster you are responding to is right, how the hell can you not see your own bullsnip

Seems to me like its more being political than truth with you bunch, truths a bch eh?




Your premise is based on the employee being the company.

Every instance of baker tends to be the owner himself doing the baking and calling the shots.

This guy in the op is not the owner.

Maybe sit the next couple plays out..



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: SailorJerry

How is refusing a Trump supporter different to refusing a gay?


exactly!

do i really need a second line



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: SailorJerry

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: SailorJerry

How is refusing a Trump supporter different to refusing a gay?


exactly!

do i really need a second line


Does Trump or making America great again go against the religious beliefs of the left?

My main question is why aren't Muslim bakeries under the same scrutiny?
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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 03:49 AM
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Im disugsted to see people I thought were all for "your business your right" abandon that becuase they seem to think this guy has a different view.

Despite the fact the video only cuts in to PART of the confrontation, and not knowing how the whole thing started.

this is why so many dont take us conservatives seriously. The majority of you commenting so far have only commented on what you liked ot hear, and only HALF of the conversation before the whole thing happened

Thats effing sad, and shows more bias than logic.

2. what if this turns out to be a bait? then youve really fallen into it.

Good god...........

Im getting hung for sticking up for another poster for saying you REALLY need to look at both sides, and hes being destroyed for sticking up for the business and even saying YES the guy should have been fired, but both are idiots.

Good god

This really shows the depth of both sides

Thank god im dying soon

what this world is coming to as far as logic is farther backward than i can even remember
and i want no part of it
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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 04:03 AM
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I think the store owner took far too long to fire him. On the spot is just not good enough for this kind of idiot. On the other hand, had I been the owner, I would likely have called the cops first just so he could be escorted out... and got it on video. And then banned him from the store. For life.

I would also blackball him. As in, anyone who ever called to get a reference would be told in no uncertain terms that he was not even allowed back in the store for mental issues, evidenced by assaulting a customer without cause. I'd also let my business associates know, just so they wouldn't have the same issue.

In short, his entire life should be ruined over this.

Now, in all fairness, the dude filming was being an idiot, too... but the difference is that he wasn't getting paid to be an idiot. He was paying for the privilege. The clerk was getting paid, and because of that, the time belongs to the owner of the store who is paying him. He threw a fit on someone else's time. Not cool.

When I hire someone, I expect them to do their job. Period. No excuses, do your damn job. A clerk's job is to ring up sales and assist customers, not to set store policy. The owner sets store policy, and if the clerk cannot operate within that policy, the clerk needs to find somewhere else to work. If I, as the owner, set a store policy to deny service to all Trump supporters (which would be stoopid to start with; I'd likely be out of business within a month), and a Trump supporter walks in, the clerk is to simply refuse service. Nicely. If the customer refuses to accept the service refusal, the clerk is to call me, or preferably the police to handle the matter. I could make an exception for self-defense against a violent customer, but only for self-defense. There was no self defense here... this was a temper tantrum. Immediate and automatic firing for cause and refusal to give any references.

Now, to address some of the allegations made here to support the idiot clerk: some have said he had the right to refuse service. No. An employee only has that right if the owner grants it. In this case, it is obvious the owner did not, since the employee was immediately fired and an apology was issued to the customer.

Some have claimed that something happened before the video. Maybe it did, but it is irrelevant. During the video, the clerk was not in danger and was not defending himself, yet he was cursing at a customer. I don't care what the customer was doing before. There is no possible excuse for acting that way. Call the cops if there's a problem.

Some have tried to make a connection to the bakery owner in Colorado refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding or the print shop refusing to create artwork for a gay wedding. Those were owners refusing, not clerks. Even if I had a business where I would refuse certain services, it is not the clerk's responsibility to make that decision unless it is clearly specified; it is mine as owner. The clerk will take the order and if I cannot bring myself to complete it, it is my responsibility to call up the customer and explain why. Thus, there is no correlation.

I'll end with this: anyone who would support actions like this in any way is not welcome to work for me (or for anyone I know) and might want to keep their mouth shut on anything political. Might I hire you if I wasn't aware of your feelings? Sure! You can go through your entire life and retire at a ripe old age with a gold watch and a glowing reputation in my company. That's fine. But if I ever hear that you think the employee has the authority to set store policy, or you think that cursing out a customer is OK, or anything along those lines, rest assured I will be watching you like a hawk after a field mouse for any problems, and will fire you on the spot for any indication that you might act on those beliefs. It does not take something this bad for me to fire you on the spot. Any similar outburst or power trip is enough. That goes for clerks, janitors, draftsmen, engineers, lower management... anyone.

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 04:25 AM
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It's good the man was fired. Customers should get served regardless of whether they are a Trump supporter or if they are LGBTQIA+. Liberals should also make "Trump is SUPER AWESOME" cakes if requested. Actually, I encourage Trump supporters to go do that (troll liberals by giving them money, you'll be totally DESTROYING them).

However, someone who goes off to that extent clearly has issues, hopefully he takes this incident, learns from it, realizes that he needs help, and gets it. So that he can be a productive member of society, the rest of us don't have to deal with another outburst like this, and so that he isn't a drain on his family (or society).

This is why mental healthcare is important and should be accessible.

Also the video was one of the more amusing public freakouts that I've seen. That screeching!
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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: C0bzz


This is why mental healthcare is important and should be accessible.

It is my honor to agree with you completely this time!

TheRedneck



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:06 AM
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Wow.

I'd hope that before he got fired, that kid had a sit down with the boss and was given the chance to understand that politics is what happens outside the door to the shop.

Everyone can have a bad day. I suspect though, he might not be the sort you can reason with



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:23 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

this is exaclty and what another poster tried to say in short words, and was called everything under the sun for saying so.....odd that so many are all the sudden silenced

but at least we know now who are hypocrites.......on both sides
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posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

a meme turned up on my farce book this mornng :

" no one notices the provacation , everyone notices the retaliation "

these incidents do NOT happen in a vaccum

very VERY few people " just explode " for " utterly no reason "

no one has coherently explained why the guy is videoing himeslf in a vape shop yet



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I won't comment on widgets or cakes, what I do see is intolerance and in a community, when grown adults make a decision that doesn't directly harm themselves or others ...
Widgets or cakes, why can't people just let live and live

As a Christian I would happily make a gay couple a cake, doubt they would be to impressed with my cake cooking skills though
It would be a bit different if an openly gay and practicing couple came to my church and wanted to be included.



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:29 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

Yeah some people do explode for no reason and I have seen it
Maybe this character had issues at home or with friends and it culminated at work

It's not acceptable and to brush it off as just a " not in a vacuum" is ignorant



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:36 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

What you say is true, I've seen all sorts of weirdness in my life, I've never seen stuff like that though.
Surely if there was stuff going on before, it would have been on the shop CCTV?

From that short clip though, he looks like someone utterly unable to control himself



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:57 AM
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That was cringe worthy.

Why dont these people understand they make the country and themselves look bad when they disrespect the president.

It's funny because everyone can go all out because trump is a white male.

Wait until a non white or female get in office. Liberals will be tongue tied.

Gas prices are 5 dollars a gallon. She cant say anything the president is half black...lol



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
Why does it seem like something is missing from this video?

He didn't just go off to this degree because the guy was wearing a Trump shirt, surely something happened before he started filming.


No, they really do get triggered and fly into uncontrollable temper tantrums at the mere sight of a Trump t-shirt.



posted on Dec, 29 2018 @ 06:12 AM
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There is all kinds of speculation about what happened before. Could it not be as simple as the clerk repeatedly refusing to help him and so he decides to start filming because he can't believe he is being refused service?

That's typically why a lot of videos start mid-stream. The situation reaches a point where somebody starts filming. Not once did the clerk say ," You come in my store doing such and such...".

I'm not claiming that there wasn't some provocation, but there isn't any evidence for it at this point.



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