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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
freedom of speech implies to me that you are free to say whatever you want with out consequences and that is just not possible.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf
Yes I do have the absolute right to say what I want, and any punishment I receive is the consequence of your censorship.
Well no you don't, because if you walk up to a 8 year old girl and start on some perverted sexual rant about what you want to do to her.... you will be punished, not as a consequence of my censorship but as a consequence of the laws of that state that you would have broken. You freedom of speech therefore is not absolute it has limits that are set by the laws of the land.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Of course you can yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, even if there is no fire.
The first amendment will not protect you from the consequences and potential lawsuits from private citizens.
originally posted by: Propagandalf
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf
Yes I do have the absolute right to say what I want, and any punishment I receive is the consequence of your censorship.
Well no you don't, because if you walk up to a 8 year old girl and start on some perverted sexual rant about what you want to do to her.... you will be punished, not as a consequence of my censorship but as a consequence of the laws of that state that you would have broken. You freedom of speech therefore is not absolute it has limits that are set by the laws of the land.
Right, the punishment is a consequence of the laws, not my speech.
originally posted by: Propagandalf
Right, the punishment is a consequence of the laws, not my speech.
originally posted by: Propagandalf
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Of course you can yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, even if there is no fire.
The first amendment will not protect you from the consequences and potential lawsuits from private citizens.
That's false. "Limitless lawless action" is the standard in the first amendment.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Propagandalf
If there are consequences, of any sort, then the freedom is not absolute, is it?
There's no such thing as absolute freedom of speech. Misuse of it brings consequence. If they're consequences you can live with, then fine.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: Propagandalf
Right, the punishment is a consequence of the laws, not my speech.
i see the point you are trying to make
but you live in a reality man
there is how you want it to be and how you say it is and how it really is
argue the semantics of it all you want
fact is saying a certain thing at a certain time or place or to a certain person will cause consequence for you.
thats really the bottom line
originally posted by: ViXxeN
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I really love your avatar omg it's the best! How did you get the eyes to blink like that?
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
originally posted by: Propagandalf
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Propagandalf
Yes I do have the absolute right to say what I want, and any punishment I receive is the consequence of your censorship.
Well no you don't, because if you walk up to a 8 year old girl and start on some perverted sexual rant about what you want to do to her.... you will be punished, not as a consequence of my censorship but as a consequence of the laws of that state that you would have broken. You freedom of speech therefore is not absolute it has limits that are set by the laws of the land.
Right, the punishment is a consequence of the laws, not my speech.
And as I have said to you several times now.....
Let me make it very clear, you seem to be struggling wit this.
If this thread is basically you pointing out that humans can make a noise with their mouths then well done.
Nobody is debating that.
What is being pointed out to you is that you cannot just say whatever you want and not face some kind of punishment.
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Propagandalf
Doesn't mater if I would or not.
Some people would.
If I run into a school auditorium and yell , "there's a gun man coming to kill us all right now, run!"
And everybody panics and people get hurt, do you really believe that I didn't brake the law in some way?
Would freedom of speech protect me?
I don't think you understand what the freedom of speech really is and who it protects and how.
I'm not disputing that I will not face punishment, only that the punishment is not the consequence of my words.
Do you not understand plain english?
No need to get angry
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I guess yes we do have the freedom to say whatever the hell we want, our very ability to speak means we can say just about anything our biology is capable of saying.
originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Are you willing to say that the persecution of Asia Bibi, sentenced to death for blasphemy, is her fault, the consequence of her words?
originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Are you willing to say that the persecution of Asia Bibi, sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan, is her fault, the consequence of her words?