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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: odzeandennz
So was there definitive proof either way that the 10% was indicative to wages or the budget?
originally posted by: odzeandennz
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: odzeandennz
So was there definitive proof either way that the 10% was indicative to wages or the budget?
You're just proving Grambler's point right now. Jebus
originally posted by: odzeandennz
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: odzeandennz
And you switch it to partisan politics in your first reply. Very predictable...
Wrong is wrong.
Where did I switch to partisan politics in my post? Point it out by requoting me
an't anyone from a completely Republican cabinet do anything?
....
Phones were wiped clean, people defend it as if they weren't,
Trump stands in front of the troops tells them he gave them a 10% raise and they haven't gotten a raise in 10 years, and people defend it even when they see it in black and white from the DoD itself [
a reply to: projectvxn]
Swings round and about... fanaticism and populism will be the bane of any empire
Trump said he just gave a 10% pay raise
they haven't gotten a PAY RAISE in 10 years...
originally posted by: Grambler
I have to do this livestream (link in my signature as a shamelessly plug myself) in a few minutes where I will reference this thread, but I will be anxious to see responses.
Again, although my example is political, it doesnt have to be, it could be trump supporters or haters, sports related, or anything else.
But the outright denial of reality when confronted with evidence is fascinating to me.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: odzeandennz
Trump said he just gave a 10% pay raise
I have not seen that quote.
they haven't gotten a PAY RAISE in 10 years...
This I acknowledged was a lie.
"They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent,' " Trump told the troops. "Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations."
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: odzeandennz
I said no such thing.
I did reference my previous raises when I was in the army. Why is it so hard to fathom an E4s 1% "raise" being wiped out by taxes?
All I said was that this would be the first pay raise that wouldn't be eaten up by taxes.
originally posted by: projectvxn
originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
The basic pay raises since 2007:
1 January 2007: 2.2%
In the last 12 years Obama gave the 3 largest raises. Except for the fact that no President gives or doesn't give these raises. it is an automatic calculation.
1 April 2007: 0.5%
1 January 2008: 3.5%
1 January 2009: 3.9%
1 January 2010: 3.4%
1 January 2011: 1.4%
1 January 2012: 1.6%
1 January 2013: 1.7%
1 January 2014: 1.0%
1 January 2015: 1.0%
1 January 2016: 1.3%
1 January 2017: 2.1%
1 January 2018: 2.4%
Obama care taxes for the 2014 year wiped that raise away and I actually wound up with a pay cut.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: odzeandennz
Can't watch atm but based on your quote, there is no definitive either way, as I said.
"We just approved $700 billion for our military," Trump said. "So we’re going to be having the best equipment ever known. And next year, $716 billion. So I wanted to let you know. And, by the way — I know you don’t care about this — but that also includes raises for our military. First time in 10 years."
originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Wide-Eyes
And what party did I switch to exactly by pointing out that people did wipe out the phones and people did defend trump after he said he gave a 10% raise? What partisanship is that exactly?
Goal post about to be moved..✔
originally posted by: odzeandennz
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: odzeandennz
Trump said he just gave a 10% pay raise
I have not seen that quote.
they haven't gotten a PAY RAISE in 10 years...
This I acknowledged was a lie.
"They said: 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.' I said: 'No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent,' " Trump told the troops. "Because it's been a long time. It's been more than 10 years. That's a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations."