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Homelessness and San Francisco.

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posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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I just read this article and thought it would make an interesting topic of discussion.

www.cnn.com...

I’m not really sure where compassion should begin and end. But I don’t beleive public health matters should be ignored. And where exactly is the money coming from that allows these people to shoot up multiple times per day? That kinda baffles me.

Eventually the tax they mention will end up trickling down to those of us who buy products and services from the companies located there.




posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: soundguy

This problem is all the result of Democrat politicians policy decisions. San Francisco is an entirely Democrat party jurisdiction, as now is all of California.

Summation? Their problem, not ours. Actually, I no longer consider California and particularly San Francisco to be part of the US anymore. They recently tried to open an embassy in Russia and I would guess that sooner or later they will be annexed by either Mexico or China.

They can have them.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:05 AM
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The drug and homeless problem is completely out of control in California.
Something needs to be done to help these citizens.

Gov. Jerry Brown will probably spend millions of taxpayer $$$ for another satellite to address the problem.


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posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:16 AM
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Weird how democrat controlled areas seem to fall apart at the seams.


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posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: caterpillage
Weird how democrat controlled areas seem to fall apart at the seams.


It's a real mystery.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: soundguy

Just another burgeoning socialist paradise...

California is a lost land, and its citizens do not yet seem to understand that (other than those who are leaving it for less radical climes)...they now have a Democrat "supermajority" in the State.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:23 AM
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San Francisco spends @ 37,000 per year on each homeless person. Some areas of California spend as much as $100,000 per year on each homeless person. They're even spending nearly $500,000.00 per person to house the homeless. I may have to switch my career & become a fulltime homeless person in California so I can get a free $500,000 condo to live in, free drugs, free food & have the freedom # in the streets if I want. What happens when everyone wants to become homeless because it pays better than their jobs?

www.hannity.com...

ntlconsulting.blogspot.com...

www.latimes.com...



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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I love the inovative out of the box thinking solution the controlling dems are proposing as a fix, raise taxes.
Yep, that'll fix 'er.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: soundguy
I just read this article and thought it would make an interesting topic of discussion.

www.cnn.com...

I’m not really sure where compassion should begin and end. But I don’t beleive public health matters should be ignored. And where exactly is the money coming from that allows these people to shoot up multiple times per day? That kinda baffles me.

Eventually the tax they mention will end up trickling down to those of us who buy products and services from the companies located there.




you don't understand the economics of homelessness. you ask where they get the money for their drugs. the answer is quite simple. the sad fact is that many homeless actually earn more in a day then most of us even dream about. i knew one person in particular who made over $300/DAY panhandling. and he was not even one of the more aggressive ones. and most of that money goes for their drugs. they have no rent to pay. no electricity or other bills to pay. they don't generally pay taxes on their earnings. and they even get a fair amount of things like food and clothing free. as so many people are more than willing to help these poor people. and it's no great shock they like to be in the same place as places like home to the headquarters of Uber, Twitter and Salesforce. since they are likely to earn more money in those types of areas than other areas.

i did find it rather amusing a person that is an enabler of this is trying to "find help" for them. he is a big part of the problem. if you want to get rid of the problem, you can't be an enabler in the problem. every single person who gives them money (even if only a quarter). every person who gives them food, especially something like a restaurant giving them leftovers. anyone who gives them clothing, or anything else is actually making the problem worse through their misguided charity and compassion. even this homeless tax is likely just another misguided attempt to get rid of the problem, but will only make it worse. the only real way to deal with such an issue is to cut them completely off. DO NOT give them any money. DO NOT give them free food. DO NOT give them clothing, or any thing else. in fact the most that should be done is to put them in rehab and/or mental institutions to give them the help they need to overcome their addictions, and any mental issues that can be fixed. in fact they should be going to their camps and bringing them in for treatment. any that they see panhandling or begging, or anything else should be taken in. no warnings, just take them right off the street, and brought to where they can be helped. another idea would be to also make it a ticketable offense to give them things like money, food or anything else. and if they persist in doing so, then have them face criminal charges for doing so. since those kind hearted people are a big part of the problem. and without them the problem can not easily persist, since they are the ones that are enabling them to live as they are.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:39 AM
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This is a very interesting article. Why does San Francisco seem to have such a huge homeless problem?
splinternews.com...


edit on 27-12-2018 by misskat1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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What do you do with a population that has become completely dependent on the largesse of others?

To cut off support would indicate a lack of compassion, but when "compassion" becomes mandated, then more people leave and the burden is left on an ever shrinking population of people who do work.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:58 AM
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Mental Illness is also a huge part of the homeless problem. I would imagine living homeless would also cause mental illness.

www.psychologytoday.com...



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: generik

Come on seriously...actually deal with the problem, and recognize that a significant percentage of these people actually need medical treatment of some kind, not handouts - instead of taxing the rest of the population, so that the problem can just continue on and grow?

In my neck of the woods, it is still illegal to sell, buy or possess substances like heroin. However, if you are clever enough or lucky enough to avoid detection by one arm of the City Government (known as the Police) while acquiring such illegal substances, then another arm of the City will provide you with a safe space to inject yourself...and will even provide you with free needles (wouldn't want you to spread infections to other addicts, while you are slowly killing yourself in your safe space).

Of course, the City doesn't pay for the drugs (not yet anyway), so after safely injecting themselves, the coddled addicts are then free to leave and go about begging or stealing what they need so that they can buy more poison for themselves.

Does this seem sane to anyone?



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: caterpillage
I love the inovative out of the box thinking solution the controlling dems are proposing as a fix, raise taxes.
Yep, that'll fix 'er.


Never let a good crisis go to waste.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: mobiusmale
a reply to: generik

Come on seriously...actually deal with the problem, and recognize that a significant percentage of these people actually need medical treatment of some kind, not handouts - instead of taxing the rest of the population, so that the problem can just continue on and grow?

In my neck of the woods, it is still illegal to sell, buy or possess substances like heroin. However, if you are clever enough or lucky enough to avoid detection by one arm of the City Government (known as the Police) while acquiring such illegal substances, then another arm of the City will provide you with a safe space to inject yourself...and will even provide you with free needles (wouldn't want you to spread infections to other addicts, while you are slowly killing yourself in your safe space).

Of course, the City doesn't pay for the drugs (not yet anyway), so after safely injecting themselves, the coddled addicts are then free to leave and go about begging or stealing what they need so that they can buy more poison for themselves.

Does this seem sane to anyone?


i agree with thease programs

not for the homeless or any bs like that

but it dose make less dirty needles found in the streets witch lead to innocent people getting infected

id rather see them do seriouse jail time for leaving dirty needles in the street but thats probly hard to do



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:24 AM
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This is the proof of concept of society letting people just live their life to do drugs. Works out pretty good, doesn't it.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:27 AM
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Ahh Utopia.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: markovian

originally posted by: mobiusmale
a reply to: generik

Come on seriously...actually deal with the problem, and recognize that a significant percentage of these people actually need medical treatment of some kind, not handouts - instead of taxing the rest of the population, so that the problem can just continue on and grow?

In my neck of the woods, it is still illegal to sell, buy or possess substances like heroin. However, if you are clever enough or lucky enough to avoid detection by one arm of the City Government (known as the Police) while acquiring such illegal substances, then another arm of the City will provide you with a safe space to inject yourself...and will even provide you with free needles (wouldn't want you to spread infections to other addicts, while you are slowly killing yourself in your safe space).

Of course, the City doesn't pay for the drugs (not yet anyway), so after safely injecting themselves, the coddled addicts are then free to leave and go about begging or stealing what they need so that they can buy more poison for themselves.

Does this seem sane to anyone?


i agree with thease programs

not for the homeless or any bs like that

but it dose make less dirty needles found in the streets witch lead to innocent people getting infected

id rather see them do seriouse jail time for leaving dirty needles in the street but thats probly hard to do


Okay, so we'll just check the "enabler" box beside your name.

These people need help to beat their addictions - not help to continue to feed their addictions; and all of the secondary crime and decay that results from that continuation.

Maybe we should provide free electric cars (or scooters) to bank robbers, so that they don't hurt other people by contributing to global warming, as they speed away from their crime scenes in a gas-guzzler. Naw...that would be crazy.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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This is what you get in your free market economy. People who own the properties sky rocketing the rents to get rid of "undesirables" freeing up to rent to Tech Bros. You've made the problem yourselves now suck it up and cure it.
I especially like the statement to "make decisions for them in order to place them into mental health stabilization beds".
Well you ain't gonna supply stabilization beds cos "my taxes" "my money". But the making decisions for them in order to place them somewhere??? Let me think where I've heard that put into practice. Oh yes, it happened in Germany in the 1930s and 1940s with the mentally ill , gypsies, jews, etc etc. They even used the exact same reasoning as the Tech Bros "we don't want to see them" "get them away where we can't see them"" they are undermench"
But none of you can see it because "it's their fault" cos if they pull their socks up and work hard they'll make it big.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: mobiusmale

originally posted by: markovian

originally posted by: mobiusmale
a reply to: generik

Come on seriously...actually deal with the problem, and recognize that a significant percentage of these people actually need medical treatment of some kind, not handouts - instead of taxing the rest of the population, so that the problem can just continue on and grow?

In my neck of the woods, it is still illegal to sell, buy or possess substances like heroin. However, if you are clever enough or lucky enough to avoid detection by one arm of the City Government (known as the Police) while acquiring such illegal substances, then another arm of the City will provide you with a safe space to inject yourself...and will even provide you with free needles (wouldn't want you to spread infections to other addicts, while you are slowly killing yourself in your safe space).

Of course, the City doesn't pay for the drugs (not yet anyway), so after safely injecting themselves, the coddled addicts are then free to leave and go about begging or stealing what they need so that they can buy more poison for themselves.

Does this seem sane to anyone?


i agree with thease programs

not for the homeless or any bs like that

but it dose make less dirty needles found in the streets witch lead to innocent people getting infected

id rather see them do seriouse jail time for leaving dirty needles in the street but thats probly hard to do


Okay, so we'll just check the "enabler" box beside your name.

These people need help to beat their addictions - not help to continue to feed their addictions; and all of the secondary crime and decay that results from that continuation.

Maybe we should provide free electric cars (or scooters) to bank robbers, so that they don't hurt other people by contributing to global warming, as they speed away from their crime scenes in a gas-guzzler. Naw...that would be crazy.



so your cool if i dump the dirty needles infront of your house right

ever rush a 4 year old to the hospital with a needle stuck in them

has nothing to do with enableing them it has to do with keeping children and dirty needles seperated

hope you get aids you certanly deserve it







 
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