Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

Like with religion, it's the same with politics and many things.

It's not the ideas and message that is necessarily bad. I mean the basics of socialism are good in theory yes?
The problem is the #ing humans who are put in control of implementing them.

Humans always screw it up, due to greed, lust for power, or down right incompetence. And it's humans that elect and give these people power.

Love your fellow man is a good philosophy to have.
Kill that person who is different because you love your country is not.

How hard is it to know right from wrong.
It's not hard.
But we let others do the work for us, let them run the show, and our lives we should not be surprised they make a mess of it in their own favor.

We pay people to tell us what to do. I out grew that need from my parents when I left home.

Why should a lawyer get $1million for a year sitting at a desk and talking, while a Janitor makes 30k a year doing back breaking work.
In communism they'd both get paid the same. No one can complain "they have more than me".
But it doesn't happen because that lawyer and his rich mates wants his 1million a year and we the people let them end up running it.

Humans. Everything is humans.

It is 2018, we have computers and we still have literal cavemen on this planet.

Right, Left, Liberal, Conservative. Social this Commie that Capitalism here!
It's all 2 sides of the same coin.
All self serving all as equally good or bad.

But we cannot agree to disagree. We cannot walk away. We cannot get off our backsides. We must make everyone see it our way, the ends justify the means. I understand you're a human too.... but I'm kind of a more important human sorry and my brain just cannot process you're different.

I MUST WIN AND BE RIGHT. And I'll sue the cake right off of you if I have to.

ME ME ME

Where's the compromise? The flexibility?

So yeah, keep going "oh those lefties ROFLCOPTERS!!!!" and "oh those righties ROTFLMFAO" and thinking you're clever and they're stupid.
I'll just sit back and laugh as I realize it's like watching someone arguing with a mirror.

Along with the politicians, and the rich and powerful, the famous who love it when you're fighting among yourselves instead of dealing with them.

Keep focusing on your differences boys and girls. Who cares about what we share. As long as we have someone else to blame and never have to take responsibility ourselves.

Humans.... It's always the humans. We're all morons honestly. Because it's us doing this. Allowing it. Every damn one of us.

BAA! BAA! Said the sheep.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The point I was getting at was Ghandi was trying to start fresh before the days of colonization. His national socialist movement was far more justified than Hitlers who's nation brought upon the hard times onto themselves, hence why what he incited and followed through was purely for domination and retaliation, basically the worst hissy fit of all time.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I’m sorry but you aren’t just wrong you are horribly wrong. You are attempting to rewrite history to make it not convenient. Every historian agrees that Nazism was a far right movement. This attempt to associate Hitler with socialism in order to make him left wing is a relatively recent movement.

This revisionism has been gaining ground for years in the right-wing parallel universe in the United States. It is now going mainstream in Australia courtesy of Sky News, which recently hosted a self-identified Nazi, instigating a predictable controversy.

But now it is Sky's own journalists who are rewriting history - this time, by insinuation rather than outright scandal.

Thus, last week, Paul Murray complained that young people tempted by left-wing politics fail to understand that the Second World War was waged against socialism. Presumably by this he meant the Axis powers, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

This bizarre view fails to consider the inconvenient fact that the Allies included among its number the communist Soviet Union, the state that bore the brunt of the conflict in lives and domestic destruction. But inconvenient facts should not get in the way of a convenient narrative. "The modern culture doesn't understand WWII," lamented Murray. "Too many of this generation want socialism and don't understand what their relatives fought for and that's why we speak up about it."

link

This article is from Australia. Just in case anyone wants to scream Fake News.

This is just an excerpt but the entire article does a good job explaining why Nazism was in fact right wing and answers all of electricuniverse’s accusations.

Fascism is only right wing to communism. Both are left of democracy. ACA is a good example today of fascist leaning. Insurance companies can stay, but they have to obey these new rules.

originally posted by: willzilla
Fascism is only right wing to communism. Both are left of democracy. ACA is a good example today of fascist leaning. Insurance companies can stay, but they have to obey these new rules.

Democracy isn't a left/right thing.

Fascism/ Nazism are right wing ideologies.

a reply to: BlackJackal

The confidence these people have in their ignorance is incredible. I'd be stunned if it hadn't become so commonplace.

Of course it isn't just modern day conservatives desperate to rewrite history and interpret it how they see fit. But I find this attempt at obfuscating Nazism and fascism to be disgusting. It seems the only evidence those on the Right can point to is that "socialism" is in the name of the Nazi party. It's ironic when you actually understand the reasoning behind their decision to do that.

When you actually have studied history and know how to corroborate facts, and then you see these jackasses just make up whatever they want - Truth is Dead. Not to mention the absolute destruction of definitions of political ideologies. It's all been purposefully muddled.

Hitler and the Nazis murdered communists and socialists right alongside the Jews, homosexuals, and gypsies. The attempt at rewriting history betrays true intentions.

Alt-right, alt-left, whatever. These are labels intended to divide. People are complex, and while a person might have certain characteristics that fit into one box, they have others that fit into another. We would be far better off were we to work together to make homo sapiens a successful species. As it stands, after a 200,000 year run, we've about exhausted our options. Why? One word... greed. Apparently, like a virus, we will kill the host simply to propagate. Our host, of course, is the Earth. And it's greed why those in a position to affect the greatest number of lives do little to nothing to ensure that our host is cared for. What gets me is how many people cannot see that. It's plain as day.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

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maybe if you believe it hard enough it will be true...

a reply to: ScepticScot

The underlying theory of the political compass is that political ideology may be better measured along two separate and independent axes. The economic (left–right) axis measures one's opinion of how the economy should be run: "left" is defined as the desire for the economy to be run by a cooperative collective agency (which can mean the state, but can also mean a network of communes) while "right" is defined as the desire for the economy to be left to the devices of competing individuals and organizations. The other axis (authoritarian–libertarian) measures one's political opinions in a social sense, regarding the amount of personal freedom that one would allow: "libertarianism" is defined as the belief that personal freedom should be maximised while "authoritarianism" is defined as the belief that authority should be obeyed.
A number of other multi-axis models of political thought exist and some are based on similar axes to the political compass.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: BlackJackal

www.zerohedge.com...

so merkel is right wing then?
"“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
No this wasn’t something Adolf Hitler said many decades ago, this is what German Chancellor Angela Merkel told attendants at an event by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin."

rofl

a reply to: username74

Traditionally, and still arguably as main meaning in Europe, right wing has reffered to social conservatism often with.a strong emphasis on power of the state.

I don't however disagree that a 2 axis approach is better (although still imperfect) at describing political ideology.

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: BlackJackal

www.zerohedge.com...

so merkel is right wing then?
"“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
No this wasn’t something Adolf Hitler said many decades ago, this is what German Chancellor Angela Merkel told attendants at an event by the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin."

rofl

I suspect quote mining, however worth remembering Merkel is a centre right politician.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler was a Leftie, you didn't know that? Wow where have you been hiding under, Odins Rock?

Hitler was an extreme authoritarian and his fiscal policies leaned slightly right.

Here's a good link that explains it:

Why is Hitler right despite being socialist?

Why is Hitler slightly right? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren’t fascists either.

Let’s start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country — political, ethnic, religious — whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!

But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners — all of them deeply hostile to socialism — were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism.

Hitler didn't eliminate the private sector as Stalin did.

People associate nationalism and authoritarianism with right wingers today, because so many of them hold views that often persecute certain groups of people as well as try to force their ideals on people, rather than giving them the choice and being responsible for their own actions.