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Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

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posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 07:09 PM
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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Taxes in and of themselves are not socialist, unless they are "progressive taxes." The firefighters, the police, etc, are not socialist systems, just like being social doesn't make one a socialist. In socialism the common good is before the individual good. Which is why under socialism the rights of the minority can, and are suppressed. Similar to how the left today claims that "for the good of the children we should ban all weapons." That's a form of minority right suppression. Minorities doesn't just mean blacks, or women, or Native Americans, etc. If we were to assume that more Americans/legal residents in the U.S. believe in gun registration, and gun confiscation, then those of us who believe in the 2nd amendment are/would be a minority within the U.S.

Socialist policies "sound good on paper," but in reality they are oppressive, and seek to suppress individual rights for "the good of the collective." What many in the left fail to understand is that we all are individuals, so when individual rights are suppressed in favor for "the common good," then the rights of everyone are oppressed.

The Nazi Germans, and Hitler believed in evolution, they did not believe in creation. They believed in the law of the jungle, where the strongest survives. In their eyes being white, blue eyed, and blond made those people superior to other humans. Their belief in evolution, and that we are all animals" is why the Nazis and Hitler thought that animals had not only the same rights as humans, but had to be protected more than humans.

In the other thread Hitler Was not a Christian I posted "Hitler's remarks to confidants, as described in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk."

Hitler himself stated that "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together."

Another belief held by Hitler written on page 4 of "table Talk" was:

...Without doubt, man is the most dangerous microbe imagin-able. He exploits the ground beneath his feet without ever asking whether he is disposing thus of products that would perhaps be indispensable to the life of other regions.
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On page 5 and 6 of "Table Talk" Hitler stated:


3 Night of 11 th-12 th July 1941
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At the end of the last century the progress of science and technique led liberalism astray into proclaiming man's mastery of nature, and announcing that he would soon have dominion over space. But a simple storm is enough—and everything collapses like a pack of cards!
In any case, we shall learn to become familiar with the laws by which life is governed, and acquaintance with the laws of nature will guide us on the path of progress.
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It is more than obvious that Hitler, and the Nazis themselves, didn't believe in creation, but believed in evolution and thought not only that mankind was just another animal of nature, but that mankind was a dangerous microbe.

Hitler himself stated:


Sparta must be regarded as the first völkisch state. The exposure of the sick, weak, deformed children, in short, their destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times more human than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most pathological subject. Adolf Hitler

www.goodreads.com...

The Nazis and Hitler believed that the killing/murder of the "weak, infirm, deformed", including babies, was more humane than allowing them to live. Like his other "beliefs" none of this is "right-wing or conservative belief."



edit on 27-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.




posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Stop cherrypicking definitions for a brief moment, breathe and read up on Hannah Arendt.


One of the first scholars to publish a comparative study of Nazi Germany and Stalin’s Soviet Union was Hannah Arendt. In her 1951 work, The Origins of Totalitarianism, Arendt puts forward the idea of totalitarianism as a distinct type of political movement and form of government, which “differs essentially from other forms of political oppression known to us such as despotism, tyranny and dictatorship.” [4] Furthermore, Arendt distinguishes between a totalitarian movement (such as a political party with totalitarian aims) and a totalitarian government. Not all totalitarian movements succeed in creating totalitarian governments once they gain power. In Arendt’s view, although many totalitarian movements existed in Europe in the 1920s and 1930s, only the governments of Stalin and Hitler succeeded in fully implementing their totalitarian aims.[5]

en.wikipedia.org...

Not exactly a very deluded perspective on said origins of totalitarianism, you should stop wasting time and start looking into this asap. And if it's just for the single reason not to come across like an ignorant baffoon with no grasp on political theory.
Focus! We can still have a mud fest in he pit, socialistuniverserse. I get your frustration though, this brainchild of ... errr... "yours" kinda escalated quickly.




posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Antifa are the modern-day Brownshirts.


2 cents.



Usual horsecrap from you



One of hundreds of footages from Europe where Antifa is fighting brownshirts .
But Antifa... Deep derp derppppp.
Funny how its the alt right marching with Nazi flags yet Antifa are brownshirts. No one outside your pro Trump bubble believes your crap grandpa



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No body colonized Germany. They brought ww1, and 2 upon themselves. Stop talking about subjects you dont anything about.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
Of course they weren't right wing... This is not a new discovery or worthy of a thread proclaiming such. If you'd research further, you would discover there were countless German officers who refused their orders in defense of the jews...

Why don’t you post a link to back up
Your claim. Also, are you an apologist trying to defend left wingers in the Party? Cause that’s what it sounds like to me.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError
Oh pullease! And anyone who uses the term “derp” surely is too young to know much about this subject.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError


Antifa here are silencing free speech, are using violence to silence anyone and everyone who disagrees with them.

That is a fact.


*shrugs*



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An all powerful centralized govt that controls the means of production and redistributes wealth based on identity politics sounds pretty darn leftist to me.

But regardless of whether its left wing or right wing socialism, the important point is that its definitely socialism and furthermore has nothing to do w/ America or the Republican party, as the msm seems to so inaccurately allude to.

Aside from the neo cons, who are just globalists like the dems, the GOP wants a smaller federal govt which is literally the exact opposite of socialism/marxism/fascism/nazism or any other -ism people want to throw out there.

At the end of the day, regardless of what label or spectrum you want to identify the nazis as, I hope we can all agree that it was garbage, just like communism is.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: 20MilVet10

Socialism is a form of economics, not government.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: 20MilVet10

Socialism is a form of economics, not government.


What "government" isn't based on economics ? 😧



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: 20MilVet10

Socialism is a form of economics, not government.
Centralized control by a government of the means of production IS socialism. To split hairs about it being economic is silly. The federal reserve is also not federal but it is a central banking system with a federally appointed board. The Secretary of the Treasury controls interest rates. Is thwt economic or government ? Perhaps we cannot draw a line between them. Today we have what is called “communitarianism”. Rosa Koire discusses that in her book, “The Green Mask”. It involves top down control of local communities with bottom up involvement and involving ngo’s. There is an interfacing called “public/private partnerships”. Sounds pretty fascist to me. It is also totalitarian.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Rather the "political baffoons" are those who keep denying the fact that the beliefs, and policies implemented by HItler and the Nazis were not "right-wing." They were socialist policies intended only for Germany, instead of an international version of socialism. But socialism it was.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No body colonized Germany. They brought ww1, and 2 upon themselves. Stop talking about subjects you dont anything about.


Where in the world did I write that Germany was colonized?... You should stop puting words in people's mouth and understand what they write...


edit on 27-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Cherrypicking huh?... Care to point out how ANY of the ideas and beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis posted in this thread were/are "right-wing"?...

You know, making an actual intelligent counter argument?

In socialism and communism "the good of the collective is more important than the good of the individual." When such an idea is implemented it forms authoritarianism or totalitarianism. You can't separate socialism or communism from "totalitarianism or authoritarianism."



Totalitarianism
Totalitarianism is a political concept where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to control every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.
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en.wikipedia.org...

Similar to how the left loves to impose their ideas, and beliefs on the rest of the population. That is totalitarianism, and when socialism or communism is implemented it is even worse.

The right can become oppressive too, but anyone honest enough to admit it knows that Hitler/the Nazis, Stalin etc, were all "left-wing."

I won't say "the left are all nazis" like the left loves to claim about the right. But your ideas are/were shared by despotic authoritarians who were/are left-wing.

As long as the left, in general, continues to deny how close their ideas and beliefs are to what despotic leaders implemented, and to this day are implemented in nations like Venezuela, or Cuba, or North Korea, the left will continue to implement nothing but draconian and oppressive "left-wing regimes."

These facts should be a wake up call, instead of denying what is right in front of your face.



edit on 27-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: 20MilVet10

Socialism is a form of economics, not government.


Socialism is both an economic, and a political system. Same for communism. But under communism exists a socialist economy.

No matter how much the left wants to claim "now" that "socialism is the public control of the means of production," in actuality it continues to be owned and controlled by "the government."


edit on 27-12-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: 20MilVet10

Socialism is a form of economics, not government.
Socialism is also an ideology, one which involves a belief that redistribution of wealth is morally just and superior. Of course believing such doesn’t make it do, nevertheless the proponents of socialism insist on their own brand of altruism whether or not it’s actually fair, which it is not.



posted on Dec, 27 2018 @ 11:54 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

The Antifa group has communist roots in Nazi Germany. Communism, socialism, and fascism are all facets of the same leftist ideology with a few variations between them. All three have totalitarian centralized control as the backdrop. All three involve abusive government controls and bureaucracies. All three involve the state enforcing its policies and the collective over the individual.
I find it interesting that while Progressives insist that nationalism is a sign of fascism as a right wing ideology, they virtually ignore the nationalistic views of the Russian Communist Party. They also overlook the distinct form of nationalism observed in the Chinese Communist Party as well. I mean who doesn’t love the annual Communist Communist Chinese Military parade ????( end sarcasm)
But don’t just take my word for it. Here’s a good article written for the Asia Times www.atimes.com...
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posted on Dec, 28 2018 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You make some good points about the Nazi's and Evolution cutting Judeo-Christian ideology completely out and subscribing to the evolutionary survival of the fittest, this can only lead down a dark path. It's a cull the herd of the sick and the weak mentality.



posted on Dec, 28 2018 @ 04:39 AM
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the nazis destroyed the unions, jailed the socialists and communists, persecuted gay people, denied that trans people exist [going so far as to burn all the research that had been done at the world's most progressive institute for the study of sex and gender], and had some extremely staunch views on migrants and racial minorities, aiming for a "germany for the germans" type policy.

does this sound more like left or right wing ideals???? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔



posted on Dec, 28 2018 @ 04:54 AM
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Christmas day the mother of all threads showing how big of a cesspool ATS has long become gets written (Free Christmas Gifts for our Liberal ATS Members) and not even a day later its absurdity gets smashed by this thread. Well done sir.

Honestly if you need to write a thread with the only motive behind it being a heavily veiled attempt to get people to qualify or sign off on your ideals, then suffice to say your ideals are awful.

Also quit crying and asking people to rebuke your flawed OP when the one person who went above and beyond in doing so is the only person on this thread you conveniently forgot to respond to (Sceptic Scott near the bottom of page 5 in case you would like to go back and reply to him).

You took a shot and missed, alas that is the majority of anything which reaches the front page of this comedy forum anymore so again as I said before Kudos.


edit on 28/12/18 by TrowaBarton because: Spelling




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