Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

Its stupid (imo) to argue whether nazism was right wing or left wing, cause the fact is it wasn't either.

Nazism (also known as national socialism) was a uniquely designed political ideology within itself... It wasn't based on capitalism or socialism... nor was it based on traditional conservative or progressive values.

Its an entirely different political ideology that is in a category of its own.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

the nazis were racists, so the right-wings.
german neonazis are celebrating hitlers birthday, so the birthdays of others like hess and so on.
the german right-wing-terrorist group called NSU killed people because they werent germans and in their freetime they played 'holocaust monopoly'.
to compare antifa or leftys with the nazis is bullcrap. the antifashist movement was created because many nazis werent jailed after war.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

But both parties rule over the people under the Fasces -

What does that say about the USA's left and right?

a reply to: seeker1963



The US is great when it comes to training butchers - I mean South American politicians....LOL

en.wikipedia.org...

It was formerly known as the US Army School of the Americas, but was renamed in 2000 so Congress could claim they'd shut S.O.A. down.....

SOA Watch claims that the approach taken by the Department of Defense is not grounded in any critical assessment of the training, procedures, performance, or results (consequences) of the training programs of the SOA. According to critics of the SOA, the name change ignores congressional concern and public outcry over the SOA's past and present link to human rights atrocities.[39]

They were not "Right-Wing" on the political spectrum that so many worships, Nazism and Fascism are beyond the "Right" but they are NOT the same as left-socialism, they were state-based socialism, or authoritarian socialism, with the main focus of racial supremacy that accounted for their economic as well as social system

any attempts to equate them to left-socialism is just ignorant reactionary propaganda

originally posted by: DBCowboy


Seriously? The way history and definitions are being rewritten and redefined, it's important that we adhere to some standard.


Give some enough time and they'd have you believing that Hitler and Mao were both Libertarians and that only true communism and fascism will bring about a freedom utopia.

We have standards; a scale that goes from authoritarian to libertarian.
State control of everything to personal control of everything.
This is what we need to judge politics by.

Why do people who self proclaim to be conservative or right wing have to attempt to justify their stance on the political spectrum so much? And attaempt to disassociate themselves with bad ideaolgies which are clearly right wing like fascism?

Hitler lied, he lied through his teeth the whole time to gain power and once he used socialism and communism to gain the German peoples votes he did what ever he wanted. I'm not going to argue but when you search in any dictionary, history book or google the world nazi or fascism it clearly says it's a form of authoritarian, ultranationalism.
And the more I see these threads about the political spectrum the more I just yawn and try to ignore, it's becoming old and cringey to be honest.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Why do labels like right and left have any meaning to anyone now?
Aren't we beyond that yet?

To quote Mr Miyagi:

...
Mr, Kesuke Miyagi: [sighs] Daniel-san, must talk. [they both kneel] Walk on road, hm? Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, [makes squish gesture] get squish just like grape. Here, karate, same thing. Either you karate do "yes", or karate do "no". You karate do "guess so", [makes squish gesture] just like grape. Understand?
...

www.moviequotedb.com...

Yes, that is a quote from a movie, but it is a very insightful quote. Those who take no sides are normally the same people who watch how atrocities are committed and do nothing.

To use another more common quote:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke

Read more at: www.brainyquote.com...

Those who do nothing are the same people who take no sides.

Oh dear.

It appears the OP doesn't understand the meaning of the word propaganda.

Just because something is called a particular name, it doesn't necessarily mean it actually represents that ideology.

The name National Socialists was chosen in order to attract the working classes to the party following the defeat of World War 1 and to play on the treaty of Versailles and the perception that it had caused economic disaster in Germany, ran down the countries armed forces, killed national pride and had affected the common working man.

And to a largely pissed off German population, in simpler times, that worked.

However the ideology of the party was not socialist in any way, shape or form - indeed its diametric opposite was communism, which is socialist, and communists were considered sub-human by the Nazi's (look up the orders given to troops during Operation Barbarossa)

Political views of Adolf Hitler

Clever slogans, catchy phrases and well placed messages tend to have an effect on people who want to believe things, even if they are not true.

Reading history context, however, tends to provide actual insight into the times people lived in.

a reply to: strongfp

So I guess according to people like you Gandhi must have been a right-winger right?... After all he was a National Socialist...

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Gandhian socialism is the branch of socialism based on the nationalist interpretation of the theories of Mahatma Gandhi. Gandhian socialism generally centres on Hind Swaraj or Indian Home Rule authored by Gandhi.
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Instead of "claiming" he was right-wing, why don't you explain how any of those policies mentioned in the op were/are right-wing, which Hitler and the Nazis implemented...

Revisionism of what the Nazis were doesn't make you right. But you can't actually discuss the policies mentioned in the op, because they are clearly left-wing.

So keep yawning meanwhile swimming in a sea of ignorance and revisionism.

a reply to: neformore

How convenient... Similar to the false claim from communists that "communism has never been implemented," when it has been and caused the murder of over 110 million people, and millions more were imprisoned for not wanting communism or a socialist economy...

Nazi's were a Cult first & foremost... an ideology, then a political beast... see Vril

which included: www.militantislammonitor.org...

a reply to: neformore

Did you, and some others, decide not to read the op at all?

Do explain how any of the policies mentioned in the op are "right-wing"...

a reply to: DBCowboy

This describes the USA and its military adventurism spreading "democracy" - in a nutshell the US is run as a Fascist Nation

www.google.com.au...

What are characteristics of fascism?
There are several fundamental characteristics of fascism, among them are: ... Nationalism: Fascism places a very strong emphasis on patriotism and nationalism. Criticism of the nation's main ideals, especially war, is lambasted as unpatriotic at best, and treason at worst.

originally posted by: oloufo

the nazis were racists, so the right-wings.

LOL... Many left-wingers are racists to a fault...




Not to mention that the KKK was formed by democrats, and it was democrats who wanted to keep slaves in the U.S. meanwhile Republicans/the right believed that blacks and women were equals. It was "Republicans" under a "Republican President", Lincoln, who abolished slavery.

This is so stupid. These labels and terms mean very little. Mix them around however you like.

Hitler was right wing because he opposed Jewish systems of one world communism and an international central banking system. At that time Communism = Jews = social Marxism = international central bank. Hitler opposed this alignment. That is what makes him right wing. In addition, nationalism also opposes this combination.

You can say Israel is nationalist but there was no Israel then. He did help the Zionists because he agreed with nationalism, but not international communism.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neformore

Did you, and some others, decide not to read the op at all?

Do explain how any of the policies mentioned in the op are "right-wing"...

There are a number of inaccuracies in your OP.

The Nazis didn't ban hunting (they did restrict some forms of it).

Gun laws where actually liberalized for the majority of Germans.

They conducted a extensive program of privatisation during the 30s. Not nationalisation.

They certainly didn't ban unearned income.

So not really much evidence of their policies being socialist.

If Hitler was such a Socialist why did he have the Socialists and Communists rounded up and put in concentration camps?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: oloufo

the nazis were racists, so the right-wings.

LOL... Many left-wingers are racists to a fault...

Not to mention that the KKK was formed by democrats, and it was democrats who wanted to keep slaves in the U.S. meanwhile Republicans/the right believed that blacks and women were equals. It was "Republicans" under a "Republican President", Lincoln, who abolished slavery.

and your point is? let the far-right-movement grow till the day they are strong and powerful enough to clean up? would it be for good? and what happens to people like me, jews, arabs, artists, politicans, gay and so on...? i don't know what all you whateveryouarefighthingforwarriors dreaming of? i do not hate anybody, i have friends of all kinds and colors and i'm not frightened of muslims or strong woman or people fighting for their right to have a peaceful life without hate and violence. you? i don't need a gun and i don't want my neighbors to have 20 weapons in their basement. but i have to accept the fact, that maybe it is allowed to have guns. and i accept the right to have different opinions as long they don't harm someones life. fact is, we are one species and we all are connected and when the sun is falling from the sky, we all die the same way. i don't know much about americas history but i'm pretty sure the democrats from the past aren't the same as the democrats nowadays. the same with the reps. right? but there are still millions of people around the globe dreaming of a 4th reich, celebrating hitler as a great leader, want kzs back, and so called 'schauprozesse', that is insane and that what concerns me besides the fact the planet is suffering from the cancer called 'mensch'. but there is always hope. science, art, love. we are still evolving.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neformore
Did you, and some others, decide not to read the op at all?
Do explain how any of the policies mentioned in the op are "right-wing"...

Yes, I read it.

But the absurdity of the notion that the Nazi's were not ultra right wing as claimed by your OP, when all historical fact and context points otherwise, mitigates the need to answer your claims.

I suggest you go and read some actual history of the Nazi party and Hitlers politics, as well as reading up on the various positions of the political spectrum instead of trying to make BS straw-man arguments based on a name. That way, you may actually learn something instead of regurgitating spurious nonsense.