Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

I assume you're joking.

Stalin wasn't "right-wing" either, even thou left-wingers like yourself want to claim the contrary.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

You avoided answering the questions. Wonder why?

I'm gonna post this here.

Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist?
Debunking a Historical Myth

Richard Evans, in his magisterial three volume history of Nazi Germany, is quite clear on whether Hitler was a socialist: “…it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173). Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’.

If you go on to read the article it does go into more detail on how Hitler hated socialism. Reading this article reminds me of parallels between how Castro rose to power and how he change from a green revolution to a red one.

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Antifa are the modern-day Brownshirts.


2 cents.

Can you really not back me up?

*shrugs*

The sun rises in the East.
Water is wet.
Antifa is the violent arm of the left.

Should we not stand against them in solidarity?

I stand against anyone against freedom.


Ideology be damned!

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

I assume you're joking.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

The ones joking are those like you... Stalin was a Soviet revolutionary and General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union...

Hitler was a "National Socialist"

Go ahead and "try" to enlighten us on how communism or socialism are "right-wing"...

The delusion of people like you is simply stunning.

No one thinks I claimed Stalin was right wing.

If you want to bet, I have a venmo.

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An excellent OP... I've fought this battle before with liberal family members.

It makes them so mad it's like I took their slaves from them again...

S&F!

No, not an excellent op.

Get past your nonsense and realize what a propaganda professional Hitler was...


Hitler should not be remembered for anything other than what he was... a perfect public speaker with incredible stamina and public influence.

Hitler was the perfect propagandist.

Actually, he was a perfect Progressive.

You are welcome to your opinion, of course.

Not that your opinion matters, balanced against history.

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

I assume you're joking.

Stalin wasn't "right-wing" either, even thou left-wingers like yourself want to claim the contrary.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

You avoided answering the questions. Wonder why?

Because no one thinks Stalin is right wing.

Because there is more nuance to 40's political leans aside from titles than what translates to modern terms.

Because polarities shift just like the left in today's terms tend to get more of a hard on for war (IMO).

But mainly because this was a fishing expedition from OP, and the intended catch of the day isn't knowledge or the truth.

Why do labels like right and left have any meaning to anyone now?
Aren't we beyond that yet?

By today's standards, they most certainly were. I haven't seen any lefties wearing swastikas on their arm. KKK fully endorses the republican party. Things have shifted.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

I assume you're joking.

Stalin wasn't "right-wing" either, even thou left-wingers like yourself want to claim the contrary.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

You avoided answering the questions. Wonder why?

Because no one thinks Stalin is right wing.

Because there is more nuance to 40's political leans aside from titles than what translates to modern terms.

Because polarities shift just like the left in today's terms tend to get more of a hard on for war (IMO).

But mainly because this was a fishing expedition from OP, and the intended catch of the day isn't knowledge or the truth.

And everything you said was nothing more than excuse to not answer the question....

Fascism/dictatorship more or so sounds like it all about presentation of a singular identity for the most. Like having a bunch pictures of an idol all over, or saying Hail Hitler at the end of any convo.

Hitler main selling point was getting an over burden Germany back to it former glory which made him messanic to them. Similar to the iconic "Deliverer from Evil" like Moses and the Jews, an make the world a better place for full blooded Germans with Aryan traits being the top tier race above all.

As from what I understand about Communism, it can be associated with national identity as well, but for would have to serve an agenda, much like propaganda.

We do this for mother amerika, no!?

Ugh,,,not again.

Political ideals are not a straight line going right or left.

They are a circle and no matter what direction you got you end up at the same place.
If hatered and violence are on the circle both sides will get there.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
By today's standards, they most certainly were. I haven't seen any lefties wearing swastikas on their arm. KKK fully endorses the republican party. Things have shifted.

BS! Most of the KKK are Democrats! Most of the Antifa leftys don't wear swastikas, yet they love the Communist flag!

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Why do labels like right and left have any meaning to anyone now?
Aren't we beyond that yet?

Spoken like a true neo-cranberryist!



Seriously? The way history and definitions are being rewritten and redefined, it's important that we adhere to some standard.


Give some enough time and they'd have you believing that Hitler and Mao were both Libertarians and that only true communism and fascism will bring about a freedom utopia.

Many global corporations use some of the Marx 10-Planks system effectively to their advantages 😁

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Why do labels like right and left have any meaning to anyone now?
Aren't we beyond that yet?

It's good to have labels.

How else could we keep tally of the death tolls... you know like black churches, schools, bombings etc....


We need labels to exactly qualify who's who in the zoo. Not all extremists are equal.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I read all the comments thus far and am fairly surprised that some would compare Hitlers NAZI Germany to the right.
I can see how modern day NAZI groups can be compared but that is only to hit a certain demographic. Like a recruitment tool you could say.
I only know what I have read about Hitler himself about his supposed private life but that is mostly just hearsay. So I won't speak to that but I know the policies he and his party implemented and the timeline(for the most part).
To me the idea of a NAZI state is comprised of mostly left ideals. If I am wrong please do point out my inaccuracies so that I can learn.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Many global corporations use some of the Marx 10-Planks system effectively to their advantages 😁

Everything the Progressive movement is for is supporting the 1% and their goals. Yet they claim to hate the 1%??? I am just waiting for Coca Cola to make a drink called Brawndo formulated by Monsanto/Bayer!

I dunno, all this left and right stuff.

Nazi's were basically racists. So what they did was adopt any policy that would win them votes. In this case, it was 'leftist', 'socialist' policies.

But none of that really mattered, they just wanted racism. Am I right?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

I assume you're joking.

Stalin wasn't "right-wing" either, even thou left-wingers like yourself want to claim the contrary.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

You avoided answering the questions. Wonder why?

Because no one thinks Stalin is right wing.

Because there is more nuance to 40's political leans aside from titles than what translates to modern terms.

Because polarities shift just like the left in today's terms tend to get more of a hard on for war (IMO).

But mainly because this was a fishing expedition from OP, and the intended catch of the day isn't knowledge or the truth.

And everything you said was nothing more than excuse to not answer the question....

Fine, I'll play.

Hitler was an extremist, but more importantly an opportunist. He was probably more of a flagrant independent that hated both sides of the spectrum and only truly identified with nationalistic.

As for OP saying I implied Stalin leaned right, I simply have to laugh. I would never say things of that sort, nor did I. In fact I framed it as an attempt to show I realize the extremes of different spectrums.

All that said, Hitler certainly had right leaning ideology.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

Corporatism is just a branch of socialism as well, huh? Things that make you go "hmmm..."

Corporatism is a centralized system... Since when are centralized systems right-wing?...

Corporatism is "Monopolistic", and in a monopoly only one person, or group controls all, or certain resources.

If "corporatism" was right-wing, then why are the socialists in the UN wanting to implement a globalist system derived from corporate governance?

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
Quick question: why did they go for socialists and workers first, and even killed their fellow Nazis during the "night of the long knives", if they were so upright and honest with their promises of a national socialism, as this thread suggests?

Why did "fidel castro" ordered the detention and execution of socialists who complained that the castro brothers were allowing communists into the "socialist revolution"?...

Why did Stalin ordered the death of Trotsky and Lenin?...

Competition. Socialist and communists tend to fight with other branches of socialists and communists when their common enemies are destroyed or incarcerated.