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Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: Barcs

Since when is far right theocracy? I think you mean Corporatocracy, because that's extreme capitalism which panders to corporations and gives them the real power.

Hitler was in the middle but leaned slightly right fiscally. He wasn't left wing or right wing, just extreme authoritarian.


Since when is a "Corporatocracy" right-wing, when it is a centralized form of government which controls and owns the means of production?...

Capitalism is based on a free market system. In a "Corporatocracy" there is no "free market" since the corporation, or a group of corporations, own and control the means of production.




posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Barcs

Since when is far right theocracy? I think you mean Corporatocracy, because that's extreme capitalism which panders to corporations and gives them the real power.

Hitler was in the middle but leaned slightly right fiscally. He wasn't left wing or right wing, just extreme authoritarian.


Since when is a "Corporatocracy" right-wing, when it is a centralized form of government which controls and owns the means of production?...

Capitalism is based on a free market system. In a "Corporatocracy" there is no "free market" since the corporation, or a group of corporations, own and control the means of production.

and given time the corporations are run by mere adaptive algorithms embodying the true nature of intelligence itself, until only perfect intellects remain to administer all resources in existence



posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Since when is a "Corporatocracy" right-wing, when it is a centralized form of government which controls and owns the means of production?...

Capitalism is based on a free market system. In a "Corporatocracy" there is no "free market" since the corporation, or a group of corporations, own and control the means of production.


What you are saying is only true if the corporations stop allowing competition, but that's not capitalism. I didn't think corporatocracy eliminated free market, maybe that was the wrong word to use. I was talking about extreme capitalism, not the elimination of free market. The person I responded to claimed that far right was equivalent to theocracy when that's not even related so I was explaining that it is about fiscal policy, not religiosity. A theocracy would be far north on the political spectrum and could be left or right fiscally.

Left/right is about fiscal policy. The further left you go the closer you get to communism (full gov control) and the further right you go, the closer you get to extreme capitalism (large corporations control). Politics is a spectrum, not just a linear left vs right. There is also north (authoritarianism) vs south (libertarianism). North/south is about social policy and human rights, while left/right is about fiscal policy.

Everybody is confusing authoritarianism/libertarianism with left or right wing fiscal policy. Authoritarians can be left OR right. Everyone trying to associate Nazis or Hitler to left wing or right wing are completely missing the boat. For example banning hunting is not a left wing position. I know tons of liberals that like to hunt. It's completely unrelated. Just because in America, the right wing is anti abortion and pro gun, doesn't mean those positions are fiscally right or left. They aren't, they are social issues. People mix that up because the libertarian party in the US is basically a joke and is far more right than they are south on the political compass. They are libertarians in name only. In reality they are republicans that aren't as authoritarian as the mainstream republican party (who are actually far north and far right).

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posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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Corporatocracy does eliminate a free market, and capitalism. Under a corporatocracy all, or certain resources are owned and controlled by a corporation, or group of corporations. Monopoly/monopolies are anathema to a free market in Capitalism, because again it gives control and ownership of resources only to one corporation, or a small group of corporations.

It is claimed that a free market must be regulated to stop a single corporation, or a small group of corporations, to control all of a market. But throughout history, when the government gets involved (regulating the market) such governments give preference only to some corporations. Under such government those corporations become big enough to own and control certain resources or infrastructure. So the contrary happens when the government regulates the market. Instead of stopping a corporation, or small group of corporations, from having monopoly over resources. Government regulations ensures that a corporation, or small group of corporations, owns and controls certain resources since they are given preference by such government.

We saw this happen when the U.S. gave preference to certain railroad companies, which caused the 1893 panic and led to the largest economic depression of U.S. history.

I find it ironic that nowadays when a corporation owns and controls resources is called "privatization." But then again, the same thing can be said of a socialist government. Since such government also owns and controls the means of production.

Under a free market capitalism does not, or should not give a corporation, or group of corporations, the control or ownership of resources because it ends competition, and competition must exist if a true free market were to exist.



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posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I generally agree with the post, but right wing vs left wing are deceptive terms which I believe were introduced by those super rich globalists seeking total power. The terms left vs right are used to divide the people so we don't free ourselves from those who continue to dominate our lives. More accurate terms and those which would be used would be totalitarianism vs democracy. Otherwise totalitarianism vs individualism where individualism is the concept of freedom of the individual. I suggest we all work together to correct these fallacies which were introduced into the state run "educational" systems which were used to indoctrinate us to become subservient.



posted on Jan, 4 2019 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Okay, so corporatocracy was the wrong word to use. That doesn't change anything else about what I said, though. And corporations today in the US do have quite a bit of control. They don't regulate everything, but they influence campaigns and essentially sponsor the candidates running for office. Many many many corporations today are all run by the same mother company. Many shareholders hold executive positions in dozens of different companies. The US media is pretty much all owned by the same couple groups, but they maintain the illusion it's not by keep the old company names after being bought out. In the US it's already starting to get to that level despite still having a free market. To me, that's what far right creates.
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posted on Jan, 6 2019 @ 01:28 AM
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Nazism was a cult. At that level of extreme, it doesn't matter whether its left-wing or right-wing, only that it must be extinguished. Lest it get # all over the rest of us.



posted on Jan, 6 2019 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: IndyFront
Nazism was a cult. At that level of extreme, it doesn't matter whether its left-wing or right-wing, only that it must be extinguished. Lest it get # all over the rest of us.


Actually, it does matter. Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat history.



posted on Jan, 7 2019 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: soundguy

It should hurt to be stupid.
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posted on Jan, 7 2019 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: Barcs

Since logic exists. The political spectrum is more like an oval with a slight gap at the top. The far left and far right sit on either side of that gap.



posted on Jan, 8 2019 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: IndyFront
Nazism was a cult. At that level of extreme, it doesn't matter whether its left-wing or right-wing, only that it must be extinguished. Lest it get # all over the rest of us.


Actually, it does matter. Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat history.


How is that an argument? The post had nothing to do with not learning from history, it was about associating Hitler's ideology with modern day right and left wing. It's completely disingenuous. Blaming right or left wing for the holocaust is not learning from history, it's pointing fingers and essentially mud slinging. Again, Hitler was extreme authoritarianism, not left or right wing.


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