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Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: UpIsNowDown

wtf s with all the rhetoric?



LMAO, you have made over 20 posts in this one thread, which equates to about 10% of the total content of it, but yeah MY rhetoric

Also do you often reply to yourself , LMAO talk about being able to start an argument in an empty room.

Reply to self

"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the f**k do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK"


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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: UpIsNowDown
its a reply to cobzz
your point?
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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: username74

source?


So you are a holocaust denialist? Minorities like the Jewish people alone numbered in the millions, and they were disarmed as well. I have already posted evidence that the political opposition, whom the nazis thought could pose a threat, were also disarmed and many were sent to concentration camps just like minorities were.


originally posted by: username74
chavez/south america is not evidence for 30s germany.


It is evidence that the left tend to disarm those who oppose them, meanwhile they arm those who are loyal to their left-wing regime...



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: djz3ro

You're getting yourself mixed up fella.


Ironic how the people who normally claim "others should learn history" are often times the ones who are completely ignorant of such history.


originally posted by: djz3ro
Yes Hitler did impliment Socialist policies because he was the leader of the National Socialists. The clue is in the name it was a Nationalist (ergo Right Wing) take on Socialism (Left Wing) Politics. Study some history, you might learn something. I've known this since the mid 90's.


Nationalism is not a "right-wing belief." That claim of yours right there shows who should really learn history... Again... Gandhi was a national socialist. There is a National Socialist branch named after him. "Gandhian Socialism"...

Care to show us how "Gandhi was right-wing"?...

Stalinism is a nationalist form of communism... How in the world is communism in any form "right-wing"?

There are dozens of examples of left-wing regimes being nationalist, and just for being nationalist it doesn't make them "right-wing."



originally posted by: djz3ro
As for guns. You think it's left wing to invade a country and allow their citizens to keep their guns?

Interesting...


Yes, throughout the 20th and 21st century every left-wing regime has disarmed their opposition, or even entire populations meanwhile arming those loyal to them...



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: C0bzz
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Speaking of triangles, the Communists and Social Democrats had red triangles sewn onto their prison uniforms because they were forced into these camps (sort of debunks this thread, huh?).
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It does not... I have already pointed out how socialists and communists have turned against other socialists and communists...

BTW, in socialist/communist regimes there are also "concentration camps" of sorts. They are called "re-education camps" and "hard labour camps".

Anyway, one of my uncles, who is now dead, was a socialist captain under fidel castro. He fought in the Sierra Maestra for the "socialist revolution", and like many other socialists when he saw that the castro brothers were allowing "communists" into the "socialist revolution" he not only voiced his concern but fought against "the communist revolution." He was one of the lucky ones, when he was captured they didn't execute him, like they did many other socialists. Instead he spend 23 years in prison. Every day he was beaten, and the beatings were so bad that one of his testicles was ruptured, and had several spinal discs herniated. All his life he suffered from back pain because of it, and was never able to have children.




originally posted by: C0bzz

I am a LGBT person and social democrat, let's really talk about who feels threatened here.


The communist regime of Cuba not only imprisoned poets, authors, and other "political opponents," homosexuals, lesbians, etc were all also imprisoned..."

Contrary to "common misconception" not all "socialist/communist" regimes were/are friendly to the LGBT community.

In some "socialist and communist regimes" homosexuality was/is seen as a decadence that existed/exists because of capitalism, and as such it was shunned.

China was another example of a communist regime which until 1997 was not friendly towards the LGBT community. However, even after 1997 in China there have been no protections or guaranteed rights for the LGBT community.

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Same-sex couples are unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to opposite-sex couples.
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en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: neformore

Check out your PMs on here. Click on the letter icon on the right upper corner of the page, please.



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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Their ideas were a mixed bag of left and right. Economically they were socialist and fascist however socially they were extremely conservative.

The Nazis being left or right does nothing to prove either the modern left of America is good or bad



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Their ideas were a mixed bag of left and right. Economically they were socialist and fascist however socially they were extremely conservative.

The Nazis being left or right does nothing to prove either the modern left of America is good or bad



How were they conservatives, or had conservative ideas when they gave more value to the lives of animals than to the lives of people?...

How were they conservative when they "liberalized abortion" and allowed all women, including from minorities, to abort their babies if the women could prove their babies could be born with deformities, or genetic disorders?...

How were they conservatives when the state/government had complete control over all businesses, the means of production and healthcare?

How were they conservatives when they believed the common good is before the individual good?

Their ideas are/were NOT conservative...

There is a BIG difference between hating ALL IMMIGRANTS, including minorities, and wanting to stop "illegal immigration."

The nazis had NOTHING that was a conservative belief.




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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Only a beaker to experiment. That is what the falcon was.



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

en.wikipedia.org...



Hitler and the Nazis promoted a socially conservative view concerning many aspects of life, supported by harsh discipline and a militaristic point of view.[73] Conservative opinions about sexuality amid the Nazis led to extreme homophobia which resulted in the systematic persecution of homosexuals.[74] Hitler and his paladins also controlled what constituted acceptable artistic expression in Nazi Germany, abolishing what they considered to be "degenerate art".[75] The Nazis strongly discouraged, and in some cases outright rejected the following behaviors: the use of cosmetics, premarital sex, prostitution, pornography, sexual vices, smoking, and excessive drinking.[76] In many ways, there was a distinct Anti-intellectualism present within Nazi philosophy.[77] Hearkening back to a simpler time, Hitler and the Nazis attempted to vindicate the glorious past as the key to a more promising future.[78]



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

I have already pointed out that all of what wikipedia says about the nazis is false...

Socialists and communists can, and are also "militaristic..."

In China, in Cuba, in North Korea, and many other nations homophobia also existed, and in some socialist and communist countries such homophobia still exists... That doesn't make them "conservative..."

I have already posted what close associates of Hitler said about him, and what Hitler himself stated in "Table talk."

"Artistic expression" has been also oppressed, and still is being oppressed in left-wing nations like Cuba, North Korea, China, etc, etc.

The nazis had socialist beliefs which the left even today share with them.

The left sees "humans as bacteria, as viruses, and so did the nazis..."

The left has given more rights to animals than to humans who are different, and think different than them.

The left gives more value to animals, than to the human unborn/fetuses. Hitler and the nazis did exactly the same thing, but to "other types of humans."

The left thinks that "it is more humane to murder children with genetic disorders, and so did the nazis...

The left wants to "liberalize more abortion." The nazis liberalized abortion...

The left believes in "the common good before individual good" just as the nazis believed...

The left in general don't believe in religion, or creationism. The nazis in general also believed in evolution, and Hitler himself hated most religions including Judaism and Christianity.

How is any of this "conservative"?

As for "harsh discipline being conservative"?... ROFLMAO... In China there is harsh discipline to this day. In Cuba it was the same way, so it was in the Soviet Union, so it is in North Korea, etc.








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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

roflol check the "sources" and "references" on that wiki 😂



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It's entertaining to see you try and compare Nazis to leftists, carry on though



posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It is entertaining seeing you, and others like you, trying to deny the fact that "nazism" had/has more in common with the left, than with the right.

It is entertaining, but at the same time troublesome, to see people like you try to deny the fact that nazism is a branch of socialism, meanwhile you keep having, and pushing to force, many of the same "beliefs" the nazis had.



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posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 11:54 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

deny history all you want in order to continue to propagate that Nazi's are socialist therefor all socialist are Nazi's



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

deny history all you want in order to continue to propagate that Nazi's are socialist therefor all socialist are Nazi's


LOL, deny history? Who is denying history? PROVE any of these policies, or beliefs are right wing... You CAN'T. Which is why left-wingers like yourself keep on denying facts and instead you all claim "the right are all the nazis..."

I won't post websites of National Socialists of today and what they believe, but if you search and read their "social programs" they are all left-wing/socialist.

The left is once again becoming authoritarian, yes. Not exactly like the nazis, but authoritarianism is what the left always imposes.


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After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism.

Adolf Hitler as quoted by Otto Wagener in Hitler—Memoirs of a Confidant, editor, Henry Ashby Turner, Jr., Yale University Press (1985) p. 288

What the world did not deem possible the German people have achieved…. It is already war history how the German Armies defeated the legions of capitalism and plutocracy. After forty-five days this campaign in the West was equally and emphatically terminated.

“Adolf Hitler’s Order of the Day Calling for Invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece,” Berlin, (April 6, 1941), New York Times, April 7, 1941

To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler, 4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 31-33. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931 , published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

I will tolerate no opposition. We recognize only subordination – authority downwards and responsibility upwards. You just tell the German bourgeoisie that I shall be finished with them far quicker than I shall with marxism... When once the conservative forces in Germany realize that only I and my party can win the German proletariat over to the State and that no parliamentary games can be played with marxist parties, then Germany will be saved for all time, then we can found a German Peoples State.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler,4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 36-37. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931 published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.

As quoted in The Voice of Destruction, Hermann Rauschning, New York, NY, G.P. Putnam’s Sons (1940) p. 186, this book is also known as Hitler Speaks
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www.reddit.com...



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posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You managed to miss the crux of my post by pointing out where I'd gone wrong. The reason the Nazi's implimented socialist policies was because it was their version of Socialism, a right wing version of it. I may be wrong about Nationalism being purely Right-wing but I'm not wrong about the points you didn't address.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Who is denying history?



You are!


originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

PROVE any of these policies, or beliefs are right wing... You CAN'T. Which is why left-wingers like yourself keep on denying facts and instead you all claim "the right are all the nazis..."



Well the proof I have of them being right wing is that they were Hitler's policies.

You've done nothing to prove Hitler was a Liberal Lefty so why should anyone prove the opposite, there are mountains of historic evidence to disprove your point that you've ignored to author this O.P.

All you've done is show a misunderstanding of the "Socialist" aspect of the "National Socialist Party". It was a Right Wing take on Left Wing ideals (a clever ploy to unite Left and Right wing Germany under the Nazi flag. Hitler was an expert at this kind of thing, P.R was his speciality).

That's all that happened, but you want the world, or at least ATS to believe the opposite of the truth for your own end.


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posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 02:52 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
It is entertaining seeing you, and others like you, trying to deny the fact that "government" had/has more in common with the government, than with government.

Fixed that for you.

Hitler said he didn't drink alcohol, so does Trump. That doesn't mean Trump is like Hitler, except for maybe that detail. See how that works?

Maybe what someone said earlier about Von Mises is right, anyone who isn't an anarchist is left wing. Von Mises would probably point his finger at you too.



posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 04:51 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

slowly for you.

you stated--"" Millions of Germans were denied the right to bear arms"

i asked you for a source.

you replied--"So you are a holocaust denialist?"

you, sir/madam are a fukwit.







 
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