Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

First, a disclaimer. I am not advocating in any way Nazism, imho it is an evil ideology that incites violence and murder.

We continue to hear/read this claim from left-wingers when in reality the Nazis and Hitler were "National Socialists." They were left-wingers, not right-wingers.

This thread is a continuation of another thread which dispels the notion that Hitler was a Christian.

Hitler Was not a Christian.

Like other socialists, such as Chavez, Hitler knew that if he made Germans believe he was a Christian, more Germans would follow him.

Hitler and the Nazis were not right-wingers either. Not only did they state this in their speeches, but their actions and policies prove they were part of a branch of socialism.

Below is my response to another ATS member about the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis which show their political leaning.

"No, the revisionism is the claim that the nazis were right-wing... The nazis didn't appropiate any terms, they were/many still are socialists.

The nazis were environmental extremists, they even banned hunting, and used the "animal rights" excuse to claim the Jewish people were savages because of their food preparation rituals in which of course they had to kill animals... Since when is "environmental extremism right-wing"?...

The nazis implemented gun registration, which you all in the left love, and confiscated firearms of people they "claimed were dangerous." Since when is gun registration, and gun confiscation "right-wing"?...

The nazis and Hitler nationalized all trusts. They nationalized and implemented "agrarian reform." They communalized large stores. They implemented "profit sharing" (wealth redistribution) in large industries. They abolished all unearned income that did not arise from work. Since when is ANY of this "rightwing"?...

Like the left is doing today, the nazis implemented a policy that would shut down newspapers that dared "transgress against the common welfare." Today the left calls it "fake news" and combating right-wing extremism by suppressing anyone who dares not be "left-wing."

The nazis believed in the common good before individual good, which again is a socialist belief...

www.historyplace.com... "

Below is another article which shows how Hitler and the Nazis were socialists. A branch of socialism that Hitler and Mussolini founded known as fascism.

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The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
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Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian

Of course they weren't right wing... This is not a new discovery or worthy of a thread proclaiming such. If you'd research further, you would discover there were countless German officers who refused their orders in defense of the jews...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An excellent OP... I've fought this battle before with liberal family members.

It makes them so mad it's like I took their slaves from them again...

S&F!

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Actually the were Nationalists and socialists, as the name indicates. Is this your first time discovering this?

Hitler was a fascist, and did not get along with socialists or communists.

He leaned right wing, though it doesn't really matter. He was an extremist, much like Stalin.

Just because they occupy one end of the spectrum doesn't mean everyone has to own the wackos that bastardized the ideology.

A good read here..... 😎🚬

BIG LIAR How Theodor Adorno redefined Fascism

Fascism and Nazism are both phenomena of the left. This makes ideological sense, because at their core they represent ideologies of the centralized, all-powerful state. Moreover, fascism grew out of Marxism, and fascism’s founder Benito Mussolini, was a Marxist and lifelong socialist. Hitler, too, was a socialist who headed the National Socialist Party and in fact changed the name of the German Workers Party to make it the National Socialist German Workers Party.

How, then, did progressives in America re-define fascism and Nazism as phenomena of the right? This sleight-of-hand occurred after World War II, once fascism and Nazism were discredited with the reputation of Holocaust. Then progressives recognized it was important to cover up the leftist roots of fascism and Nazism and to move them from the left-wing column into the right-wing column.

The man most responsible for the progressive redefinition of fascism is Theodor Adorno, a German Marxist intellectual and a member of the influential Institute for Social Research, otherwise known as the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School scholars were leftists and most of them were refugees from Nazi Germany. Some settled in Europe; others like Adorno and Herbert Marcuse came to the United States.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Antifa are the modern-day Brownshirts.


2 cents.

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

An excellent OP... I've fought this battle before with liberal family members.

It makes them so mad it's like I took their slaves from them again...

S&F!

No, not an excellent op.

Get past your nonsense and realize what a propaganda professional Hitler was...


Hitler should not be remembered for anything other than what he was... a perfect public speaker with incredible stamina and public influence.

Hitler was the perfect propagandist.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Actually the were Nationalists and socialists, as the name indicates. Is this your first time discovering this?

You are correct! Yet the irony of those who are trying to rewrite history by calling those who are Nationalists yet oppose Socialism Nazi's is quite amusing.....if not just sad.


Many socialist countries in this world and these people can easily move if they hate their country, yet those of us who resist their efforts to destroy this country while they act out as Hitlers brown shirts did are called Nazi's...

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Hitler was a fascist, and did not get along with socialists or communists.

He leaned right wing, though it doesn't really matter. He was an extremist, much like Stalin.

Just because they occupy one end of the spectrum doesn't mean everyone has to own the wackos that bastardized the ideology.

Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

Stalin wasn't "right-wing" either, even thou left-wingers like yourself want to claim the contrary. Stalin was a communist who also believed in nationalism, and not the international version of communism that Lenin/Trotsky implemented/wanted implemented.

Hitler and the Nazis did not want other branches of socialism, they wanted their own form of socialism in Germany. Throughout the history of "socialism and/or communism" you find different branches within both ideologies fighting against other socialists/communists. That does not make Hitler and the Nazis any less socialists.

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Actually the were Nationalists and socialists, as the name indicates. Is this your first time discovering this?

Nope, I have known this for a long time. I just get tired of left-wingers who want to ignore facts and history claiming that Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wingers."

originally posted by: xuenchen
A good read here..... 😎🚬

BIG LIAR How Theodor Adorno redefined Fascism

Fascism and Nazism are both phenomena of the left. This makes ideological sense, because at their core they represent ideologies of the centralized, all-powerful state. Moreover, fascism grew out of Marxism, and fascism’s founder Benito Mussolini, was a Marxist and lifelong socialist. Hitler, too, was a socialist who headed the National Socialist Party and in fact changed the name of the German Workers Party to make it the National Socialist German Workers Party.

How, then, did progressives in America re-define fascism and Nazism as phenomena of the right? This sleight-of-hand occurred after World War II, once fascism and Nazism were discredited with the reputation of Holocaust. Then progressives recognized it was important to cover up the leftist roots of fascism and Nazism and to move them from the left-wing column into the right-wing column.

The man most responsible for the progressive redefinition of fascism is Theodor Adorno, a German Marxist intellectual and a member of the influential Institute for Social Research, otherwise known as the Frankfurt School. The Frankfurt School scholars were leftists and most of them were refugees from Nazi Germany. Some settled in Europe; others like Adorno and Herbert Marcuse came to the United States.

That damn Frankfurt school always seems to pop up, dunnit?

Me kinda thinks the likes of Yale, Harvard and those others we call Ivy League schools stepped up to take the Frankfurt Schools place? Now look at how many of our elite government officials attended "Ivy League" schools? *ends comment with Darth Vader Star Wars Theme*

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Antifa are the modern-day Brownshirts.


2 cents.

Can you really not back me up?

a reply to: Lumenari

An excellent OP... I've fought this battle before with liberal family members.

Every mainstream ideology has their dark moments.

Mao made Hitler look inefficient.

But it's not a competition, and every ideology has its flaws. Many times extremism finds darkness. Anytime followers fall into thinking opponents of said ideology should be killed we've seen atrocities.

Left, right, and moderates have committed horrific crimes on humanity out of "superior thought".

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Again show how ANY of the policies implemented by Hitler and the Nazis were "right-wing"?

I assume you're joking.

Stalin wasn't "right-wing" either, even thou left-wingers like yourself want to claim the contrary.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Antifa are the modern-day Brownshirts.


2 cents.

Can you really not back me up?

*shrugs*

The sun rises in the East.
Water is wet.
Antifa is the violent arm of the left.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Antifa are the modern-day Brownshirts.


2 cents.

Can you really not back me up?

*shrugs*

The sun rises in the East.
Water is wet.
Antifa is the violent arm of the left.

Should we not stand against them in solidarity?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

I assume you're joking.

Again, incredible comedy skills good sir.

You're at the peak of your game.

The ones joking are those like you... Stalin was a Soviet revolutionary and General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union...

Hitler was a "National Socialist"

Go ahead and "try" to enlighten us on how communism or socialism are "right-wing"...

The delusion of people like you is simply stunning.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”

B. Mussolini

Corporatism is just a branch of socialism as well, huh? Things that make you go "hmmm..."

First, a disclaimer. I am not advocating in any way Nazism, imho it is an evil ideology that incites violence and murder.

Quick question: why did they go for socialists and workers first, and even killed their fellow Nazis during the "night of the long knives", if they were so upright and honest with their promises of a national socialism, as this thread suggests?